Oh those pet peeves

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Re: Oh those pet peeves

Postby Brentai » Sat Dec 22, 2018 2:56 pm

Without the intended irony though.
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Re: Oh those pet peeves

Postby Mongrel » Sat Dec 22, 2018 3:01 pm

Brentai wrote:Without the intended irony though.

More like a wearied exhaustion, really.
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Re: Oh those pet peeves

Postby Thad » Sat Dec 22, 2018 3:37 pm

Brentai wrote:Without the intended irony though.

I'd say it's usually used ironically, though also typically used metaphorically, not as a literal reference to a software behavior. I see it a lot in social critiques -- criticisms of capitalism, surveillance, surveillance capitalism, etc. It's usually used to signify "Hey, this bad thing people are doing that you're describing as if it were an unfortunate and unforeseen side effect? It's not. It's the whole point."

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Re: Oh those pet peeves

Postby Brentai » Sat Dec 22, 2018 5:51 pm

Yeah but it USED to be a tongue-in-cheek way of saying "This behavior is unintended, but it's not critical enough to fix, so deal with it."

I really miss thinking "Never attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence" isn't dangerously naive.
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Re: Oh those pet peeves

Postby Thad » Sun Dec 23, 2018 12:35 pm

Brentai wrote:Yeah but it USED to be a tongue-in-cheek way of saying "This behavior is unintended, but it's not critical enough to fix, so deal with it."


Right. It used to be a programmer joke; now it's an everybody joke.

I really miss thinking "Never attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence" isn't dangerously naive.


It depends. I saw somebody in the Techdirt comments the other day suggest that the real reason Verizon bought Yahoo was so that it could get blackmail material on people with Tumblr accounts. (In addition to everything else that is very dumb about this conspiracy theory, if the entire point of owning Tumblr is to monitor users' sexual kinks, why would they ban porn on it?)

The point of Hanlon's Razor is that people shouldn't posit elaborate "crazy like a fox" conspiracy theories when somebody does something that appears to be foolish. That's still the case in the Age of Trump, even with the overabundance of malice we're now dealing with. There's a tendency for Trump's supporters (and even some of his opponents) to suggest that when he does something stupid, he's actually doing something smart while tricking everyone into thinking it's something stupid. "3D chess!" But no, he's just stupid. There's no plan; he's just reacting without thinking. That's really what Hanlon's Razor means, though perhaps "malice" isn't the best word for it; the point is that you shouldn't ascribe deeper motivations than those in evidence.

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Re: Oh those pet peeves

Postby mharr » Sun Dec 23, 2018 1:36 pm

The important point is that malice and stupidity aren't in opposition. The stupid are often horrifically malicious, it's just that they're not very good at it.

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Re: Oh those pet peeves

Postby Niku » Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:18 pm

I have 1300/1302 spirits in Smash Ultimate because the other two spirits are tied to save game data from the two versions of Pokemon Let's Go.

just don't count them in the total nintendo

just give me this
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Re: Oh those pet peeves

Postby Grath » Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:28 pm

Niku wrote:I have 1300/1302 spirits in Smash Ultimate because the other two spirits are tied to save game data from the two versions of Pokemon Let's Go.

just don't count them in the total nintendo

just give me this

I was surprised how much I enjoyed Pokemon Let's Go despite the fairly-radical departures from the core traditional format.

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Re: Oh those pet peeves

Postby mharr » Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:24 pm

When I'm on the far end of a retractable leash, desperately digging in with my whole body to reel in our big, dumb, cartoonishly enthusiastic cargo sled dog who desperately wants to climb onto your head and clean your eardrums, could y'all maybe slow down for a second, or divert around us a bit? Continuing to walk straight at us faster than I can haul in the cable really isn't helping anyone, unless your goal is litigation trolling.

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Re: Oh those pet peeves

Postby Mongrel » Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:27 pm

What if I want a big, cartoonishly enthusiastic cargo sled dog to climb onto my head and clean my eardrums?

Also, now you need to post dogpics in the pet thread.
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Re: Oh those pet peeves

Postby mharr » Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:43 pm

In those circumstances you probably already know her by name, she'll escape and run off with you, and I'll have to pick her up from the pub in fifteen minutes. There's a pets thread?

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Re: Oh those pet peeves

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