Barefoot and Pregnant

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Re: Barefoot and Pregnant

Postby Mongrel » Wed Sep 16, 2020 5:48 pm

Thad wrote:warning

Yeah good reminder. Added.

I think that having three very different qualitative examples is the point. Yes, the overall theme is that lack of ownership - a lack of ownership that comes directly from that misogynistic entitlement, still deeply embedded in society and coded in law.

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I'm pretty sure we're actually just agreeing.
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Re: Barefoot and Pregnant

Postby Grath » Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:36 am

Thad wrote:Could probably use a content warning for sexual assault there.

At any rate, there's a lot going on there and while I understand the common theme of lacking ownership of her image, I'd say the paparazzi photos, Richard Prince paintings, and Jonathan Leder photos are all qualitatively different examples (respectively: photos taken without her consent; transformative use; "consensual" photos taken under predatory circumstances that should be illegal, then published outside the agreed-upon terms, which is illegal but fat lot of difference that makes if you can't afford the cost of a lawsuit).

Aside from the obvious misogyny involved in men feeling entitled to images of women's bodies (and, in Leder's case, to a woman's body itself), these stories have implications about all sorts of other issues, including copyright, work-for-hire, and the legal system. As usual, publishers are predators, work-for-hire is predatory, and business and law are both rigged systems.

"""transformative""", but his is the least egregious (and I think the point of that section was more the violation she felt from the 4chan leak and the potential that her ex-boyfriend could've leaked a bunch more, not as much about Richard Prince being a thief)

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Re: Barefoot and Pregnant

Postby Thad » Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:56 pm

Yeah, well, debating the artistic merits of recontextualizing existing images is going to end in me defending Roy Lichtenstein, and nobody wants that.

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