Net Neutrality (or, the lack thereof)

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Re: Net Neutrality (or, the lack thereof)

Postby Newbie » Wed Feb 04, 2015 1:54 pm

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Re: Net Neutrality (or, the lack thereof)

Postby Mongrel » Thu Feb 26, 2015 3:30 pm

Title II just passed at the FCC, 3 votes to 2.

It's.... it's real? You actually have de facto Net Neutrality?

Also the FCC overrode some state bans on city run broadband.

EDIT: Let us all taste Verizon's salty, salty tears.

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Yes, that is actually, truly Verizon's reply. Translated PDF is here.
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Re: Net Neutrality (or, the lack thereof)

Postby Thad » Thu Feb 26, 2015 4:00 pm

Okay then.

I've been saying since November that I would believe Wheeler's about-face just as soon as he started doing the right things instead of just saying the right things.

Today's that day. I accept that Wheeler is on our side now, and I thank him for the work he's done to protect the open Internet.

Kudos also to John Oliver, because I genuinely believe this would not have happened without him.

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Re: Net Neutrality (or, the lack thereof)

Postby Thad » Thu Mar 12, 2015 9:57 pm

Apparently the new regs also require ISP's to stop lying about what their subscriptions cost.

As part of the transparency requirements in the Federal Communications Commission's net neutrality order, Internet providers have to clearly detail all charges, such as modem rental and installation fees, and disclose the full monthly price that will go into effect after any promotional pricing expires.


It's a nice sentiment, but what the fuck are people going to do, switch to one of the many other ISP's they have to choose from?

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Re: Net Neutrality (or, the lack thereof)

Postby Mothra » Fri Mar 13, 2015 9:29 am

Still can't believe the FCC didn't fuck us on this.

THE SYSTEM WORKS

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Re: Net Neutrality (or, the lack thereof)

Postby Mongrel » Fri Mar 13, 2015 10:13 am

Mothra wrote:Still can't believe the FCC didn't fuck us on this.

I know!

THE SYSTEM WORKS

Whoa whoa whoa whoa hold on there
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Re: Net Neutrality (or, the lack thereof)

Postby Classic » Fri Mar 13, 2015 12:20 pm

If anything this proves that the system often fails to function as intended. /tumblrlibertarian

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Re: Net Neutrality (or, the lack thereof)

Postby Bal » Fri Mar 13, 2015 12:28 pm

Keep in mind that congress is trying to dismantle this whole thing right now, so maybe keep the party hats to minimum.

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Re: Net Neutrality (or, the lack thereof)

Postby Thad » Fri Mar 13, 2015 1:28 pm

Congress has also voted to repeal the Affordable Care Act more than 50 times. There's a difference between legislation and theatre; this is the latter.

Not saying it couldn't happen in 2017, if we got a Republican in the White House -- hell, we wouldn't even need Congress to pass anything then, just a Republican majority at the FCC. But the odds of it happening short of that? Pretty low. If Congress is going to pass anything, they'll need 60 votes in the Senate and the President's signature, or 67 votes in the Senate without it.

I'd definitely recommend that everybody vote for candidates who favor net neutrality, and not get complacent. But I don't think it's under imminent threat.

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Re: Net Neutrality (or, the lack thereof)

Postby Classic » Fri Mar 13, 2015 1:42 pm

Except for the fact that "powerful entities" are going to continue to work to disrupt and devastate it.
This is basically going to be one of those interminable slogs that we won't see even remotely enshrined in basic decency until most of us are dead or keeling over.

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Re: Net Neutrality (or, the lack thereof)

Postby Bal » Fri Mar 13, 2015 2:02 pm

I guess I can take heart in the inability of Congress to do literally anything.

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Re: Net Neutrality (or, the lack thereof)

Postby pacobird » Fri Mar 13, 2015 2:29 pm

Thad wrote:Apparently the new regs also require ISP's to stop lying about what their subscriptions cost.

As part of the transparency requirements in the Federal Communications Commission's net neutrality order, Internet providers have to clearly detail all charges, such as modem rental and installation fees, and disclose the full monthly price that will go into effect after any promotional pricing expires.


It's a nice sentiment, but what the pineapple are people going to do, switch to one of the many other ISP's they have to choose from?


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Re: Net Neutrality (or, the lack thereof)

Postby Thad » Fri Mar 13, 2015 6:16 pm

Classic wrote:Except for the fact that "powerful entities" are going to continue to work to disrupt and devastate it.
This is basically going to be one of those interminable slogs that we won't see even remotely enshrined in basic decency until most of us are dead or keeling over.


Well sure. We're going to see companies outright flout the regulations, companies throttle some sites and pretend it's an accident, lawsuits tying up the courts for years, and attempts to undercut the federal regulations at the state level.

But I still don't see any laws against net neutrality passing the Senate.


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Re: Net Neutrality (or, the lack thereof)

Postby Thad » Fri Apr 28, 2017 10:38 am

Time for public comments again (hit the "+ Express" link).

Seeking public comment? This is a farce. Chairman Pai heard exactly what the public had to say in 2014. The public responded, overwhelmingly, in support of net neutrality; indeed, the public interest was so high that the traffic brought down fcc.gov.

If Chairman Pai cared what the public thought, he would not be reversing a rule supported by the public in order to grant more power to internet service providers, some of the most despised companies in America. Nobody wants this except Comcast, AT&T, Charter, and Time Warner.

There is no free market competition in broadband Internet in America. There is no incentive for ISPs to compete on price or on service. We, as Americans, are a captive audience; our only choices are "use whatever ISP is available at our address" and "try to participate in twenty-first century America without Internet access".

We've already seen AT&T prioritizing its own traffic and Comcast banning protocols it didn't like. We need net neutrality protections to prevent predatory, monopolistic ISPs from engaging in that behavior. This is obvious to every American who's seen their monthly bill go up while the quality of service goes down.

But Chairman Pai has made it abundantly clear that he doesn't care what the American public has to say. If he did, he wouldn't even be considering repealing net neutrality.

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