Our Collapsing Civilization

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Postby Mongrel » Fri Oct 27, 2017 12:56 am

The Guardian: A new, bizarre and horrible consequence of being a victim of a mass shooting in America is receiving death threats based on the idea that you were an actor paid to fake said shooting

Literally literally nauseating.

This has been happening to relatives of Sandy Hook victims for years, but it appears to be happening more often to more people.
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Postby Mongrel » Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:59 am

One of our friends saw that and quipped "They're burning through them awful fast."
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Postby Friday » Sat Dec 09, 2017 6:46 pm

Don't worry, we'll find some other drug that black people use disproportionately more than white people and crank up the jail terms soon so we can enslave even more black people.
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Postby Mongrel » Sat Dec 09, 2017 6:51 pm

Well, Roy Moore wants to bring back slavery and he's about to be elected to the Senate, and I'm sure there's already a few Republicans on the Hill who'd agree, so I'm sure we're on our way to it being doable!
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Postby Friday » Sat Dec 09, 2017 6:57 pm

I mean, I'm not gonna lie. In Trump's America 2017-18, I would only slightly raise one eyebrow in mild surprise if the GOP wrote a bill to formally reintroduce direct legal slavery.

"By granting rich white landowners the right to keep workers whom they do not pay at all and also whip sometimes (most times) and rape, (all times, but even more times if they're under 18) poor white people will see more jobs open up for them due to trickle down"
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Re: Our Collapsing Civilization

Postby Grath » Sun Dec 10, 2017 2:17 am

For-profit prisons are already formally direct legal slavery, it's in the 13th Amendment. That cheap produce in Walmart, the labor to Build The Wall™, the reason AT&T's call center workers actually have American accents... For a while the cheese in Whole Foods was made by prison slaves until they got called out and switched to ethical sources because of the PR.

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Postby Mongrel » Sun Dec 10, 2017 2:33 am

The others don't surprise me but... AT&T's call centres?
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Postby nosimpleway » Sun Dec 10, 2017 10:28 am

Just follow the script.

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Postby Grath » Sun Dec 10, 2017 4:40 pm

Mongrel wrote:The others don't surprise me but... AT&T's call centres?

I can't find very recent sources, but here's an article from 1993 explicitly calling out AT&T doing this (that's when they laid off their union employees and replaced them with prison slave labor) and here's an NPR article from 2005 talking about the practice of running call centers out of prisons in general.

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Postby Friday » Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:02 am

Yeah, I know that prisons are slavery. There's a reason I've been banging on about prisons for the better part of my adult life.

When the year 2200 rolls around, and people look back at what we did, the same way we look back at what X time period did, and talk about how insanely bad whatever they did was and how widely accepted it was, what people in 2200 will say about us is "Prisons."

And yes, Prisons are more insane than anything else we are doing systemically right now. Possibly even if you combine several of the other things we are doing systemically right now.

Wanna make a rape joke? You can't put that shit on TV. Unless it's in prison.
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Re: Our Collapsing Civilization

Postby nosimpleway » Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:13 am

In the last election Colorado had an item on the ballot that was, in essence, "Hey, should we maybe stop actual slavery in our prisons?"

The response of the state of Colorado as a whole was "........ehh..."

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Re: Our Collapsing Civilization

Postby Thad » Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:28 am

On a related note, Florida's got a petition circulating for a ballot initiative to restore voting rights to felons who have served their sentences. The website appears to be at floridiansforafairdemocracy.org, though it appears to be down at the moment. secondchancesfl.org has a copy of the petition that looks like it's legit, though I haven't spent much time verifying that.

Don't know if we've got any Florida Men here, but if you're registered to vote there or know somebody who is, pass it around.

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Re: Our Collapsing Civilization

Postby Büge » Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:35 am

...Spram?
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Re: Our Collapsing Civilization

Postby Mongrel » Tue Dec 19, 2017 7:14 pm

Anybody heard about the West-Coates spat yet (and that's not a clever pun)?

Ta-Nehisi Coates recently released a book on the Obama presidency titled We Were Eight Years In Power. Meanwhile, over at Harvard, a very prominent leftist classist academic, Cornel West, (who has argued with Coates before) decided he disliked the book so much that he was going to write a very stern letter a column in the Guardian excoriating Coates and his book.

I looked up We Were Eight Years In Power a bit and to be fair at first glance it does seem, well, a bit hagiographic. Perhaps uncomfortably so. The praise for Obama seems to be rather effusive, and many of the man's real flaws are being glossed over. But West's column seems shockingly and unnecessarily hostile - it's a direct and very personal attack, all out of proportion. Most tellingly, it's been endorsed by the likes of Richard Spencer. Ew.

In the wake of all that, Coates deleted his twitter account. Can't say I blame him.

All I can think of is that these are the exact sort of people who should be trying to get to get the fuck along. It's enormously depressing that identity vs race vs class debates continue to tear the left to pieces, and that even many of the people leading those debates are demanding everyone take sides. It keeps being mentioned that record numbers of people are registering to run as Democratic candidates. I can only hope that at least some of them know how to play peacemaker.

Until then, I'll just be here, banging my head against this desk, with Rodney King's famous "Can't we all just get along?" repeatedly running through my head.
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Re: Our Collapsing Civilization

Postby TA » Tue Dec 19, 2017 7:46 pm

Spencer is a shit-stirring Nazi who does whatever will inflame things the most. You cannot assume sincerity.

Coates has been an apologist for Obama's failures and violent excesses for a long, long time, and West's column is FAR from the first criticism of him for doing this.

And the book is a lot more than just a hagiography of Obama - it's a centering of race to the exclusion of everything else, which is what West went after him for. In the Briahna Grey article quoted in that tweet, she points out:
Of course, racism is central to understanding Trump’s election, as it is to diagnosing what ails American politics more generally, but Coates takes it a step farther, casting those who focus on the role economic anxiety played in 2016 as disingenuous “apologists” who only emphasize class in order to avoid their own complicity. He characterizes such thinkers as indifferent to the “monstrous incarceration of legions of black men,” the “destruction of health providers for poor women,” the “effort to deport parents,” excessive police force, and the punitive treatment of black schoolchildren — in short, those policy concerns that are inextricably racial in nature.


West pretty well nailed it.
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Re: Our Collapsing Civilization

Postby Mongrel » Tue Dec 19, 2017 8:11 pm

I think West has some valid points, absolutely, but I don't think going after Coates with guns blazing is going to get anyone anywhere.
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Re: Our Collapsing Civilization

Postby Destynova » Fri Dec 29, 2017 1:02 am

Friday wrote:Yeah, I know that prisons are slavery. There's a reason I've been banging on about prisons for the better part of my adult life.

When the year 2200 rolls around, and people look back at what we did, the same way we look back at what X time period did, and talk about how insanely bad whatever they did was and how widely accepted it was, what people in 2200 will say about us is "Prisons."

And yes, Prisons are more insane than anything else we are doing systemically right now. Possibly even if you combine several of the other things we are doing systemically right now.

Wanna make a rape joke? You can't put that shit on TV. Unless it's in prison.

SCP Foundation would be a better place, at least they have a thing against unnecessary cruelty.

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