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Re: Our Collapsing Civilization

Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 5:19 pm
by zaratustra
It is possible that they were confused by the many twitter users that voluntarily bracket their names with ((( ))) in order to throw off nazis.

It is possible.

But I doubt it.

Re: Our Collapsing Civilization

Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 12:49 am
by Romosome
I wish I could say that I'm surprised that an online hacking ground turned out to be a bunch of alt-right shithead 4channers but uh.

Even a dog knows this one.

Re: Our Collapsing Civilization

Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 1:59 am
by Romosome
what I hate most about this coincidence detector thing is how blatantly it's just 4chan greentext grammar


Like it literally just came from people replying to stuff with emphasized quotes like >>>HOROWITZ and that's so fucking lazy and sad

Re: Our Collapsing Civilization

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:56 am
by Mongrel
Someone on here's already mentioned the Philipines turning into MURDERLAND since Duterte's election, right? I think there was some brief discussion about the causal murder of thousands of "suspected" "junkies" (and the fact that this is wildly popular) as well as Duterte's crazypants version of "diplomacy" (not as popular, but the former is sadly trumping the latter)?


NYT: Duterte now just straight-up murdering politicians he doesn't like.

My guess is he gets away with it for now too. He's untouchable at home at the moment.

Re: Our Collapsing Civilization

Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 3:55 am
by Da_Beerman
Not sure if this belongs here or the election thread.

New This American Life episode about the GOP and insane misinformation made to stir anti-Muslim attitudes from town hall meetings.

Re: Our Collapsing Civilization

Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 2:24 pm
by Mongrel

Re: Our Collapsing Civilization

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2016 10:03 pm
by Lyrai
Are they woke?

Re: Our Collapsing Civilization

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:05 am
by nosimpleway
You might be thinking of the security firm. You know. FAM.

Re: Our Collapsing Civilization

Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2016 4:47 pm
by Mongrel
Whoops there goes all the sea ice!

(note that sea ice melting does not in and of itself contribute to rising sea levels - but it does accelerate the seas warming and land ice melting which does)

Re: Our Collapsing Civilization

Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2016 6:37 pm
by beatbandito
Welcome to another episode of slamming Mongrel for clickbait link titles!

Now, I don't understand the usage of Sigma as a measurement of accuracy any better than that it is used as a measurement of accuracy, so leaving just the data of the graph alone we still have the top comment:

Only problem is this data isn't from the exact same source.
The data is coming from DMSP F18 instead of DMSP F17. F17 had sensor issues starting around April 5th, and they transitioned data from F17 to F18 from April 1st on.
This can lead to inconsistencies in the data, since it isn't from the same source. Additionally the satellites won't have the exact same orbit, nor sensors.
Just something to keep in mind while looking at the data.

and even if you just look at how the end of year data lines up with the start of year

That seems like the same declining pattern to me, not a big change.

Re: Our Collapsing Civilization

Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2016 7:01 pm
by Mongrel
Well that's all true, but isn't the 2016 line still markedly off the other, previous lines? It's still a cycle but the 2016 cycle is depressed as compared to the others?

Also, I was inclined to take it as presented because the guy who sent it to me actually works as a professional statistician (albeit for gaming companies).

Re: Our Collapsing Civilization

Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2017 1:58 am
by TA
You might have seen recently that Simon and Schuster gave Milo Yiannopoulos a quarter of a million dollar advance for a book deal, and a lot of people rightly calling for a total boycott of S&S publications over it. Well, the CBLDF released a joint statement announcing their support of Simon and Schuster's new pro-nazi publishing policy, trotting out that same tired "First they came for the Nazis..." false equivalence we've all come to know and love.

Re: Our Collapsing Civilization

Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2017 5:42 am
by Mongrel
They should be free to publish.

Consumers should be free to boycott.

Seems fine.

Re: Our Collapsing Civilization

Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2017 2:04 pm
by Thad
Well, even the best civil rights organizations get it wrong sometimes. I've been disagreeing with the ACLU about money as speech for my entire adult life.

Boycotts are both an essential instrument of a free-market economy and a way of punishing speech we find unacceptable with more speech rather than government sanction. They don't oppose free speech, they express it.

(Though yeah, I acknowledge a little bit of cognitive dissonance between saying "money isn't speech" in one paragraph and "boycotts are speech" in the next.)

Plus, telling people they shouldn't boycott a thing is equivalent to telling them they're obligated to buy something, which is downright silly. People can choose to buy or not buy whatever they want, for any reason or no reason at all.

I disagree with the CBLDF on this one but I'm not going to boycott them over a misstep like this. They're still pretty high up on my list of charities to donate to (though in the past couple of months they've probably moved down a few notches; I'd say SPLC's probably at the top now given current circumstances). Hell, I wore my CBLDF T-shirt yesterday.

They do great work, and have been for decades. This is disappointing, but I hope it doesn't put anybody off donating to them.

But if it does -- hey, it's your money and you're free to spend or not spend it how you choose. And there are a lot of worthy charities you can put your money towards.

At the same time, personally I don't intend to boycott S&S over this. Milo is odious and I'd prefer they hadn't given him a platform, but if S&S publishes a book I want to buy, I'll still plan on picking it up. (And if I wait to buy it used in paperback, that's not me making a statement, it's me being a cheap bastard. ...except for the part where I won't buy it digitally because of DRM; that is me making a statement.) But anyone who does want to boycott the publisher, hey, that's your right, and more power to you.

Re: Our Collapsing Civilization

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 2:50 pm
by Classic
I think the distinction you want to make is that you don't think money should be unconditionally protected speech. Ideally, the point of protecting free speech is enabling democracy and fledgling political parties. Not to provide the plutocrat class with megaphones for their ideas.

Re: Our Collapsing Civilization

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 2:37 am
by Mongrel
Apology/warning: This is in French, so few of you will be able to read it, except perhaps via a klodgy Google translate version (though French-English is one of Google Translate's least awful translations).

Elle did an article on the state of love and sex in Japan.

I mean, I'm sort of familiar with all of this from various news stories in passing in recent years and it's probably not all that new for any of you either, but this a more comprehensive look. While the pitfalls for men are probably well known to most of us weeaboo scum and the article looks at both sides of the issue, they're definitely looking more at the female view (almost all the actual quotes are from women) so it's great to get that.

This is one of the saddest articles I can recall reading. Somewhere in Japan there are still young couples in love, but geez are the odds are ever against them. It really highlights the rising cultural challenge that's the other side of the Japanese government's attempts to raise the birthrate.

Re: Our Collapsing Civilization

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:12 am
by Mothra
What's it say about women's side if the issue?

Re: Our Collapsing Civilization

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:12 pm
by Mongrel
Couple things. First, they talk about the rigid gender segregation in Japan, which encourages people to do stuff with their own gender and also mentions the rather severe taboo on public displays of affection. So BOTH genders are predisposed to doing "friends" stuff in stead of romantic stuff (BTW, the article didn't mention anything about homosexuality or related views). Part of the trouble is that the gender equality movement in Japan is actually quite large, but faces such a strong culture against it that they've responded in a very Japanese way, reinforcing gender segregation as a "separate-but-equal" system.

There's also gripes about disinterested men who don't put out, (and Japanese men are apparently despaired of in terms of sexual technique even when they do have sex more often) or who do, but only until the couple has a child. Part of that is the segregation factor, but it seems like love and intimacy just aren't taught as being valid by many families. Not that Japanese parents don't love their children, but they're so restrained that those children have no idea how to express anything but similar restraint. Women often throw themselves into child-rearing once the couple has a child and the man ceases to pay attention to his wife (separate bedrooms are apparently very common after a couple has a child), but it all repeats itself since the problem's been internalized, so you get mother-in-laws who defend sexless sons and tell off wives for demanding sex.

There's even a fair number of women who've bought so heavily into the notion that they approve of childless, sexless unions as "more pure" or who feel that the removal of sex from human relationships is empowering to women. But they're still the minority I think. For the most part there are a lot of very lonely women over there. The bit that I think most of us know is that the male side of the problem is the issue of many young men being raised on porno/VN/digital fantasy worlds. But there's also the issue of a lack of knowledge of real affection, of not being raised in an environment where that's normal. So the two in combination are particularly deadly.

Re: Our Collapsing Civilization

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:45 pm
by Mongrel
Guardian Longread: How Statistics Lost Their Power

Lies, damn lies, and...

Re: Our Collapsing Civilization

Posted: Sat May 20, 2017 7:57 pm
by Büge