Sadly, we still need a "white guy shoots black teen" thread

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Re: Sadly, we still need a "white guy shoots black teen" thread

Postby Thad » Sat Jul 09, 2016 2:53 am

Mongrel wrote:Newt Gingrich of all people displaying a surprising amount of compassion and understanding for BLM.


I hate to praise Trump -- like, really hate it, gag-reflex-kicking-in hate it --, but he honestly nailed this one too. Somebody wrote him a good script, and he stayed on-script for a change.

The irony of Donald goddamn Trump lamenting the racial barriers in our national discourse is so thick you can cut it with an insipid cliche, obviously. But he did a good enough job this time that I'm willing to praise him for what he did right, and save condemning what he did wrong for all the other things he will inevitably do wrong within the next 12 hours or so.

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Re: Sadly, we still need a "white guy shoots black teen" thread

Postby Mothra » Sat Jul 09, 2016 3:23 am

I mean, it's weirdly a great sign that even our shittiest politician needs to contort himself in the form of justice in the current environment.

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Re: Sadly, we still need a "white guy shoots black teen" thread

Postby Brentai » Sat Jul 09, 2016 9:19 am

Yes, well, realizing you could actually be shot for being such a douchebag tends to soften blowhards up a bit.

Like the last time a bunch of cops got murdered over racial tensions, I have to come to a depressing conclusion: That this is actually incredibly effective.

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Re: Sadly, we still need a "white guy shoots black teen" thread

Postby Grath » Sat Jul 09, 2016 10:51 am

One thing that I would like to add: While reportedly it went "put your hands up bang bang bang bang" when Philando Castile got killed which is likely the racism and whatever else may have caused the cop to be so jumpy and panicked in the video, "I have a firearm and I'm reaching for my wallet" (which is what his girlfriend said he'd said in the video, I don't know what he actually said) while you're reaching for your pocket is just about the worst way to handle informing a police officer that you're legally armed. I've looked into recommendations for how to handle it and rehearsed what I would do and say if I ever get pulled over while concealed carrying, and the advice is either "don't say anything and hand them your concealed carry permit along with your driver's license"* or "don't reach for anything, keep hands at 10 and 2 on the wheel and inform officer that you're carrying along with where the pistol is, ask them how they would like to proceed."

*(Not legal in some states/counties/cities/etc)

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Re: Sadly, we still need a "white guy shoots black teen" thread

Postby Brentai » Sat Jul 09, 2016 12:02 pm

Good info, but please don't labor under the assumption that that even matters any more.

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Re: Sadly, we still need a "white guy shoots black teen" thread

Postby Grath » Sat Jul 09, 2016 12:55 pm

Brentai wrote:Good info, but please don't labor under the assumption that that even matters any more.

I'm not assuming that it matters, but it is a potential factor.

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Re: Sadly, we still need a "white guy shoots black teen" thread

Postby Thad » Sat Jul 09, 2016 12:58 pm

Brentai wrote:Yes, well, realizing you could actually be shot for being such a douchebag tends to soften blowhards up a bit.


I think you're giving him entirely too much credit for introspection and self-awareness. I think this is the result of watching his poll numbers tank after the stupid shit he said following the last mass shooting.

Brentai wrote:Like the last time a bunch of cops got murdered over racial tensions, I have to come to a depressing conclusion: That this is actually incredibly effective.


Effective at what? Politicians (many of whom do not actually currently hold office) are saying reasonable things for a few days, and then we're looking at a return to the status quo: more violent police confrontations, more disproportionate and unnecessary killing of black citizens, and now we've got a fucking precedent for police resolving a standoff by sending in a bomb.

I guess, from the shooter's point of view, that's effective -- in that it brings us one step closer to the kind of all-out war between police and civilians that he wanted.

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Re: Sadly, we still need a "white guy shoots black teen" thread

Postby Mongrel » Sat Jul 09, 2016 1:02 pm

A robot-delivered bomb.
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Re: Sadly, we still need a "white guy shoots black teen" thread

Postby Grath » Sat Jul 09, 2016 1:05 pm

Mongrel wrote:A robot-delivered bomb.

A suicide bomber robot.

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Re: Sadly, we still need a "white guy shoots black teen" thread

Postby Mongrel » Sat Jul 09, 2016 2:45 pm

I'm sort of reminded of how a little while ago some guys I know were doing a thing with bad 80's rah rah jingo movies, hilarious stuff like Delta Force 3, etc.

What was remarkable was how a lot of the villains in those movies were the worst, most cartoonishly evil characters that the most garishly right-wing bent writers of that era could come up with. And yet they pale in comparison to what's going on today.
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Re: Sadly, we still need a "white guy shoots black teen" thread

Postby Hardly Ideal » Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:38 am

A 12-year-old boy gets shot by police within seconds of them roaring up next to him in their car. They then spend four minutes restraining his panicked sister and watching him die, all the while thinking "so that's what happens when you shoot a child..."

A white blogger for right-wing websites pulls a gun on black protesters, gets charged with "misdemeanor menacing and second-degree disorderly conduct," and is eventually released of his own recognizance.

Now, here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to lock the doors to this forum, and I'm not going to let anybody out until I get a goddamned explanation.
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Re: Sadly, we still need a "white guy shoots black teen" thread

Postby Grath » Tue Jul 12, 2016 8:24 pm

Hardly Ideal wrote:A 12-year-old boy gets shot by police within seconds of them roaring up next to him in their car. They then spend four minutes restraining his panicked sister and watching him die, all the while thinking "so that's what happens when you shoot a child..."

A white blogger for right-wing websites pulls a gun on black protesters, gets charged with "misdemeanor menacing and second-degree disorderly conduct," and is eventually released of his own recognizance.

Now, here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to lock the doors to this forum, and I'm not going to let anybody out until I get a goddamned explanation.

To be fair, in New York State threatening someone with a gun is, by the books, misdemeanor menacing. Which I looked up last night because someone threatened a friend of mine's brother with a gun because he was loitering around playing Poke Mongo.

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Re: Sadly, we still need a "white guy shoots black teen" thread

Postby Rico » Tue Jul 12, 2016 9:33 pm

Displaying the gun is misdemeanor menacing. Actually pointing the gun at someone is almost always some form of assault.

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Re: Sadly, we still need a "white guy shoots black teen" thread

Postby Hardly Ideal » Tue Jul 12, 2016 10:56 pm

I was under the impression that you never point a gun at anyone or anything you don't intend to destroy. So...
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Re: Sadly, we still need a "white guy shoots black teen" thread

Postby Sharkey » Wed Jul 13, 2016 12:35 pm

Des wanted to go to that protest and in retrospect I'm glad we didn't. Not that I wouldn't have liked to watch her twist the guy's head off like a bottle cap.

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Re: Sadly, we still need a "white guy shoots black teen" thread

Postby Büge » Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:53 am

holy christ

A 17-year-old boy is facing charges after he allegedly wrote on a blog that he was preparing to attack Oakwood Collegiate Institute on the 27th anniversary of the massacre at École Polytechnique de Montréal.


tell me again how toxic masculinity doesn't exist

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Re: Sadly, we still need a "white guy shoots black teen" thread

Postby Hardly Ideal » Thu Dec 08, 2016 1:41 pm

I had to look up the Montreal Massacre on Wikipedia. I'm a little shocked but not surprised that they seem to have included a boilerplate mass shooting sidebar, complete with a spot for motives like "anti-feminism and misogyny."

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Re: Sadly, we still need a "white guy shoots black teen" thread

Postby Mongrel » Thu Dec 08, 2016 3:54 pm

Büge wrote:holy christ

A 17-year-old boy is facing charges after he allegedly wrote on a blog that he was preparing to attack Oakwood Collegiate Institute on the 27th anniversary of the massacre at École Polytechnique de Montréal.


tell me again how toxic masculinity doesn't exist

It's pretty lucky that was averted.

The article itself says he made no specific threats against women though? Or anybody in particular for that matter.

I mean, it's very possible that that sort of resentment IS a part of this. Polytechnique was BOTH a school massacre and a misogynist massacre, and we don't know if the kid meant to celebrate just one or both of those elements. It's also possible he was bullied or just generally unable to cope with life in some other way.

The thing is that Polytechnique is going to be held up as *the* example to follow by Canadian school attackers no matter if they have gender-related issues or not, because the number of people killed in the Polytechnique Massacre still dwarfs any other school attack in Canadian history (15 people... next closest are a couple with 4). If Canada had had a lot of other large-scale school massacres to emulate, then I'd be more comfortable saying that the choice of the Polytechnique anniversary specifically probably meant there was a misogynist component, but as it is I think we'd be better served waiting for more information.

All that being said, uh, I don't think anyone on the Brontoboards has been saying toxic masculinity or at least some variation on the concept doesn't exist? I mean I certainly agree that's a real thing. I just don't know that that's what happened here, on this particular occasion.

I'm sure there'll be more news stories after the cops search his computers and such, which will probably answer the question of motive at least.
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Re: Sadly, we still need a "white guy shoots black teen" thread

Postby Büge » Thu Dec 08, 2016 5:22 pm

Mongrel wrote:All that being said, uh, I don't think anyone on the Brontoboards has been saying toxic masculinity or at least some variation on the concept doesn't exist? I mean I certainly agree that's a real thing. I just don't know that that's what happened here, on this particular occasion.


I feel like I shouldn't need to explain this but... that was a rhetorical statement, and not directed at anyone on the boards.

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Re: Sadly, we still need a "white guy shoots black teen" thread

Postby Mongrel » Thu Dec 08, 2016 5:49 pm

Nah, it's fine, I'm just bein' dumb.
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