Election 2016

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Re: Election 2016

Postby Mongrel » Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:43 pm

So the NYT had a weird sort of Tweet-in with Trump and there was a whole bunch of stuff in it, but the two biggest takeaways from it were (I thought):

1) Trump discovered that a lot of anti-corruption laws just... doesn't apply to the Presidency due to specific exception! There's actually no legal requirement for him to place his companies in a blind trust or divest himself or anything apparently! Now he's saying that he's still going to let his kids run them, but whew, what'd that take, two weeks? Dude should just get "FOR SALE" printed on all his ties.

2) When Trump met Obama after the election, that was the first time they'd ever actually met.

Uh, wow.
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Re: Election 2016

Postby Thad » Tue Nov 22, 2016 10:38 pm



If they do it, I hope they do it before December 28.

If Republicans want to justify the use of legal loopholes to install a candidate who didn't win the election, I want to see them do it right the fuck now, before the electoral college actually votes.

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Re: Election 2016

Postby Thad » Fri Nov 25, 2016 2:00 am

On the "computer experts allege that the election was hacked" headlines: no, they're not.

Techdirt: Alex Halderman Clarifies: Not Sure If Election Was Hacked, But, Uh, Shouldn't Someone Be Checking To Make Sure?

Mike Masnick wrote:So, in effect, Halderman isn't saying that he's got evidence of e-voting fraud, but is simply arguing that if no one checks, no one will ever know. So we should check in order to be sure that there wasn't hacking. That's... pretty sensible.


Carl Bialik and Rob Arthur at FiveThirtyEight add, Demographics, Not Hacking, Explain The Election Results. There's a statistic some people are quoting that Clinton did 7% worse in Wisconsin counties that used e-voting machines than ones that used optical scanners and paper ballots, but...there's not really any reason to believe that e-voting machines are the variable that led to that gap; the differences in those counties are easy to explain based on demographics alone.

None of which is to say that our election machines are secure and couldn't be hacked. They're pieces of shit and they should all be scrapped. Good old pen and paper is the only way we should be voting, and that's been clear for at least a dozen years.

I'm with Haldeman: I don't see any reason to believe voting machines were compromised, but it would be a very good idea to double-check, just in case.

Stein's been raising money for recounts in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania; according to Ars she's up to $3M as of earlier today, which is more than enough to call for a recount in Wisconsin by tomorrow's deadline. She's still raising money to finance recounts in the other two states.

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Re: Election 2016

Postby Bal » Fri Nov 25, 2016 2:45 am

I don't know how it is up in fancy ol' Maricopa County, but down here in God's country we fill in bubbles with a pen on paper.

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Re: Election 2016

Postby Thad » Fri Nov 25, 2016 2:13 pm

Pretty sure we do too, but the last time I went to a polling place instead of voting by mail was...the smoking ban? And not the state one, the Tempe one.

A quick search shows that was 2002, so...it's been awhile.

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Re: Election 2016

Postby Bal » Fri Nov 25, 2016 7:10 pm

My polling place could be hit with a rock from my roof, so I just go.

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Re: Election 2016

Postby Mazian » Tue Nov 29, 2016 12:05 am

Tom Price as prospective Secretary of Health & Human Services? I can see the hand of Mike Pence in that appointment, and I'm continuing to be amazed/terrified at their ability to pick the person that can most effectively destroy their department for every successive Cabinet pick.

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Re: Election 2016

Postby Mothra » Tue Nov 29, 2016 12:23 am

Goooood goddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd

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Re: Election 2016

Postby Hardly Ideal » Tue Nov 29, 2016 2:22 am

I really feel like I should be more familiar with Tom Price... oh wait, Rachel Maddow says he's the guy who wrote those dozens of bills to repeal Obamacare? Because if at first you don't succeed, Try^67 Again.
Mothra wrote:Goooood goddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd

Seconding that.

Y'know, ever since the election, I've noticed the same pair of thoughts popping into my head:
1) I don't know how I'm going to survive four years of this.
2) Can we just talk about Death Stranding instead?
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Re: Election 2016

Postby Mongrel » Tue Nov 29, 2016 2:46 am

The death panels are here, and they're Republican.
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Re: Election 2016

Postby Thad » Tue Nov 29, 2016 11:42 am

Trump's (Bannon's) picks are so bad, the least frightening one is the CIA director who resigned in disgrace after sharing classified intel with his mistress.

Trump's (Bannon's) picks are so bad, I find myself actually hoping Comey stays on.

Anything short of ritual suicide is better than what Comey deserves. But I'm 100% certain that there is a basket full of guys who'd be even worse than he is, and Bannon has them all on speed dial.

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Re: Election 2016

Postby Mongrel » Tue Nov 29, 2016 2:07 pm



I'm sure there's nothing wrong with a president-elect who wants to mass deport non-citizens talking about stripping citizenship from people.

On the other hand, hey, it's a fast-track to political asylum in another country!
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Re: Election 2016

Postby Mongrel » Tue Nov 29, 2016 8:02 pm

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Re: Election 2016

Postby pacobird » Tue Nov 29, 2016 9:46 pm

the cool thing about francisco franco is that he shows fascists don't even have to have a larger project in mind to justify executing political opponents en masse
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Re: Election 2016

Postby Rico » Wed Nov 30, 2016 4:28 am

Mongrel wrote:I'm sure there's nothing wrong with a president-elect who wants to mass deport non-citizens talking about stripping citizenship from people.

On the other hand, hey, it's a fast-track to political asylum in another country!

I recently got into an argument with a friend's Facebook friend who argued Liberals being angry about flag-burning criminalization was just another example of how the left has the most double-standards because he's pretty sure Dukes of Hazzard reruns stopped being shown because liberals wrote in to protest the Confederate flag on the General Lee.

Like, that's some pretty fucking A+ level Internet trolling but this was from a real human being with his real name attached, in a thread involving people he personally knew!

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Re: Election 2016

Postby Friday » Wed Nov 30, 2016 8:01 am

Well maybe with him it's a tit for tat thing, you know, liberals can burn flags, but Dukes of H comes back on the air and he gets to use racial slurs again.
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Re: Election 2016

Postby Thad » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:59 am

Rico wrote:I recently got into an argument with a friend's Facebook friend who argued Liberals being angry about flag-burning criminalization was just another example of how the left has the most double-standards because he's pretty sure Dukes of Hazzard reruns stopped being shown because liberals wrote in to protest the Confederate flag on the General Lee.


...man, and "You just voted for a woman who sponsored a bill to criminalize flag burning" was right there.

Does, like, nobody remember that is a thing that happened? Because that is a thing that happened.

I mean, obviously voting for a candidate doesn't mean you 100% endorse all their past policy positions. But as far as trolling someone on Facebook goes, I feel like that's a way better comeback than The Dukes of Hazzard.

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Re: Election 2016

Postby Hardly Ideal » Wed Nov 30, 2016 12:44 pm

Rico wrote:...but this was from a real human being with his real name attached, in a thread involving people he personally knew!

That's one of the many things that just stupefies me these days. Back in my day, you needed some stupid alias like "chillBREEZE" or "hAxMaSt0r" or "Hardly_Ideal" to say stupid shit on the Internet.

Now, people are using their own Christian names. Like, right there, for everyone to see. I'd ask what their mother would think if they heard them talking like that, except she's already down-thread saying Clinton watched Chris Stevens die on a live feed while scissoring with Huma Abedin.
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Re: Election 2016

Postby zaratustra » Wed Nov 30, 2016 12:53 pm

they're even getting elected President after saying these things

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Re: Election 2016

Postby Hardly Ideal » Wed Nov 30, 2016 1:15 pm

zaratustra wrote:they're even getting elected President after saying these things

And I hate to repeat myself, but that's what gets me most about this election. Even if by some miracle he doesn't crack the world in half because there's a bit of money to be made there, the damage is already done; we've collectively agreed that we're approving of a self-absorbed asshole running things. Like, everything we've been taught about being nice to each other was... what? Just a lie to keep children from actively shanking each other?
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