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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 7:44 pm
Maybe a hit piece they deserved 15 fucking years ago. Both guys have been out of the asshole humor industry for fucking ever, writing Portal 2 and various other Valve media for longer than OMM was a thing. I don't fully understand the relevance of going after them now, particularly given that most of these pepe memeing shitlords are too young to know who the fuck they are.
Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 1:04 am
But time's a continuum, not a series of discrete events, and the shit that's been happening over the past couple of years is just shit that's been going on for a couple of decades now hitting critical mass. It may not be the exact same motherfuckers, but it's the exact same attitude and behavior. (And some of the exact same motherfuckers.)
It's not fair to lay it all at OMM's feet, no, but OMM was one of the early, large communities of game fans who thought acting like assholes was funny, and that when people got offended it was even funnier. It's not so much a cause as a feedback loop of something that was going on in a lot of places at the same time.
(And by "a lot of places" I very much include our community in general and myself in particular. The nice thing is that those of us who've stuck around seem to have outgrown that shit -- and that hopefully includes me too.
Not that very many of us were ever anywhere near the kind of "Pepe memeing shitlords" you're talking about; I can only think of two, and they were appropriately ostracized and banned. But a lot of us were casual, low-grade jerks, and encouraged each other to be casual, low-grade jerks.)
Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 2:01 am
That's why I mentioned it's a series. In a series, it's fair to have one major group be the focus of a given piece.
If the next article just talks about OMM, then sure, maybe they've just got an axe to grind. But you could certainly do an article on /vg/ or the relevant Reddit subgroups, or some proto-stage that precluded OMM, while linking these instances together as part of a broader series.
Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 4:53 pm
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The nice thing is that those of us who've stuck around seem to have outgrown that shit -- and that hopefully includes me too.
Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 4:54 pm
Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 5:23 pm
Man, I have no problem with pointing out what a shitshow that whole clique was back in the day, but I'd never point to it as the head of the human centipede of shitty fuckin ideas. It's less a centipede and more an ageless macho rat king, all bound together in a big ol knot of dicks and excrement. I'd say that there's not a lot to be gained from trying to untangle that rat junk vermicelli, but unlike most rat kings, this poor, miscreated bastard-ball is still alive. Hell, most of the rats involved in the particular knot we're talking about managed to slip free once they grew into stuff like common human fucking decency, but the shitty rat dick katamari just keeps on rolling. I think it probably started some time around the agricultural revolution. At this point I'm less interested in researching its family tree than killing the fucker with a shovel. Especially if Mr. Baby is still in it, because that guy is a cunt.
Did I get enough homophobic and/or misogynist metaphors in there? Trying to go full 90s here.
Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 7:27 pm
I feel like it's missing a few references to mental handicaps.
Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 7:50 pm
Shut up, retard.
Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 8:03 pm
Shut up and drop speed? I don't get it.
Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 8:05 pm
Maybe he's French and he's saying he's gonna be late.
Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 1:09 am
I've had a couple of pleasant conversations with Ethan van Sciver over the years -- one on a messageboard and one in person. I knew he and I didn't see eye-to-eye politically, but he always seemed civil and open-minded.
So when I heard he was a ComicsGator, I wondered: was he always like this and I just didn't notice? Or has he changed?Gail Simone says he's changed.
Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 1:29 pm
ComicsGoat leader is suing Mark Waid for defamation
Waid is one of the good guys. He's set up a legal defense fund at GoFundMe
The suit has been filed in Texas, which has an anti-SLAPP statute. Here's my not-a-lawyer opinion of the plaintiff's allegations of defamation:
Meyer also says that Waid falsely accused him of sharing a list of comic store owners (i.e. doxing them), and defamed Meyer by characterizing him as “racist, serial harasser of minorities, and as affiliated with white supremacists.”
Starting with that last, quoted part? That's protected opinion. No defamation there.
As for the allegation that Waid falsely accused the plaintiff of doxxing comic shop owners? Well, assuming (1) Waid did
say that and (2) it is
false, that is
potentially defamatory -- but plaintiff probably qualifies as a public figure for the purposes of this lawsuit, which means that the "actual malice" standard applies. In layman's terms, this means that Waid would have had to either know
that claim was false, or show reckless disregard to whether it was true or false. If Waid had a good reason to believe the allegation was true, then there was no defamation.
As for the allegation of tortious interference? That's a subject I know less about.
But as far as the defamation claims? I expect plaintiff has bitten off more than he can chew, and those claims, at least, will likely get smacked down under Texas's anti-SLAPP statute, and he'll wind up having to pay Waid's attorney's fees. (That's the same anti-SLAPP statute that just put Stormy Daniels on the hook for Trump's attorney's fees over a similar frivolous defamation claim.)
Mark Waid is being defended by -- and this is true -- "superlawyer" Mark Zaid. (Waid joked, "I went to him after Mark Xaid was busy and Mark Yaid was tied up.")
Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:55 pm
The Mark Waid of Zur-En-Arrh.
Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:32 pm
Bring back Karma
Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:00 am
Russ Pitts of the newly revived, less groom-a-goat led 'apolitical' Escapist site, just tried to open a retrospective/discussion of the whole sorry topic:https://web.archive.org/web/20190207051 ... out-ethics
Zoe Quinn was all "Can we just not, at least please leave me way out of this" and Russ responded in full asshole mode:https://www.reddit.com/r/GamerGhazi/com ... out_ethics
And now the page has been replaced with an open apology letter and guess who's claiming victory/SJW suppression in the comments:https://www.escapistmagazine.com/v2/201 ... out-ethics
So that was a train wreck. I'd foolishly assumed Susan Arendt's husband wouldn't have been a centrist disaster, and that the site was back in good hands. Guess not?
I just want a couple of news sources that'll call out terrible game design and industry bullshit while leaving the culture war out in the real world apocalypse. 'The Escapist' was a good name for a reason.
Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 3:40 pm
hey I know
lets have a 'retrospective' on
what could go wrong
Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 4:01 pm
Yeah the entire thing was a trash fire, starting from opening the entire framing as it actually having been about ethics in games journalism. I mean, seriously. SERIOUSLY.
And then the first thing they actually did was ambush interview a woman about ongoing sexual harassment litigation at her employer.