Mongrel wrote:Argument being made here is that Manafort continued to lie to Mueller because Trump has promised him a pardon in exchange for being a mole for the Trump team. But Mueller has anticipated that, and not only has pardon-proof indictments and forfeitures (Manafort will have every penny he owns seized and can and will be charged by various State courts), but has also been using Manafort as an unwitting triple-agent dupe to further tighten the ropes around Trump's neck.
Specifically, if Manafort was lying to Mueller, and coordinating his story with Trump, and Mueller knew he was lying, and Trump repeated the same lies...I mean, it may be too much to hope, but that's a big fucking deal right there, quite possibly bigger than any of the other big fucking deals to date.
It could be a coincidence that this comes out right after Trump submitted his written answers to Mueller. After all, the judge has been pushing for a sentencing trial for, what, a month or two now? It could simply be that the Mueller team couldn't play this line out any longer.
At any rate, the NYT quotes Giuliani confirming that Manafort was briefing the White House on what he was telling Mueller.
mharr wrote:Mongrel wrote:I feel like conspiracy dude with a corkboard covered in notes linked by red strings.
I'm trying to decide whether Robert A Wilson would have been relieved or disappointed that he missed all of this.
Mongrel wrote:Shit, he already predicted half of it, IIRC.
I remember him saying that, when he and Shea wrote Illuminatus!, the goal had been to include all the most outlandish and implausible conspiracy theories they could conceive -- and then Watergate happened, and it was wilder than any of them.
RAW noted, before he died, that he was ahead of the zeitgeist -- that if the success of The Da Vinci Code and What the Fuck Do We Know? were any indication, he could have been a rich man if only he'd sat on his manuscripts for 30 years or so.
Thad wrote:Specifically, if Manafort was lying to Mueller, and coordinating his story with Trump, and Mueller knew he was lying, and Trump repeated the same lies...I mean, it may be too much to hope, but that's a big fucking deal right there, quite possibly bigger than any of the other big fucking deals to date.
Ken White and Renato Mariotti don't think much of this theory. (Warning: autoplay audio.)
It is of course possible that Manafort and Trump both lied and coordinated their lies, but not that Mueller arranged it on purpose.
Meanwhile, Cohen has confessed to lying to Congress about Trump's involvement in trying to set up a Trump Tower in Moscow. If he's telling the truth now, then that means Don Jr. also lied to Congress about the project.
The gist seems to be that nobody in the Trump Administration ever actually told Cohen to lie to Congress, but he believes he was pressured to do so, and they certainly didn't correct his lies after he told them.
This is Chicago Alderman Edwin Burke's office.
His firm did tax work for Trump for more than a decade.
Last night trump left the WH Christmas tree lighting ceremony in a big hurry. Allegedly, this is because Whitaker told him the feds were about to raid Burke's office.