I never said don't call out racism and bigotry. I'm saying that if you go around casually using bigoted terms (e.g. tranny), you should be prepared to live with the consequences.
Well, yes, most are.
I never said don't call out racism and bigotry. I'm saying that if you go around casually using bigoted terms (e.g. tranny), you should be prepared to live with the consequences.
Mongrel wrote:Again, in-group usage is different from out-group usage. There are lots of precedents. Yes, people in the in-group will argue and disagree and both will have valid points.
Brentai wrote:It was always Cartman, the one that people loved to quote.
If anything became a problem it's people forgetting that Cartman is supposed to be absolute garbage.
Thad wrote:But I'd say it's more a definition of one of the tenets of comedy. Someone who's got power taking advantage of someone who doesn't isn't funny; someone who's powerless putting one over on someone who is powerful is funny.
Could be that the PC zeitgeist itself or the (from RW perspective) occasionally tyrannical mob enforcing it is being regarded as a power structure to be punched up into. PC intends to protect the downtrodden and oppressed, sure. PC enforcement isn't uniformly seen as by or of* the downtrodden and oppressed. E.g., it wouldn't take gold-medal mental gymnastics to see it not as attacking women, but rather as taking on presumptuous, holier-than-thou white knights or radfem tribes.Thad wrote:But context is important too. I know there's a raging debate about "punching down" these days, with the usual ranting about the PC police trying to censor people. But I'd say it's more a definition of one of the tenets of comedy. Someone who's got power taking advantage of someone who doesn't isn't funny; someone who's powerless putting one over on someone who is powerful is funny. (You'll note the latter combines both things I talked about earlier -- transgression and reversals of expected situations.) Mark Evanier often likes to comment that the reason conservative comedy doesn't work is that it's like doing a Marx Brothers sketch and trying to make Margaret Dumont the funny one.
They did more with other characters in later seasons, including a great deal with Randy (Stan's dad). Kind of turned him into a less-dumb, but crazier Homer. The Lorde episode and Internet outage episodes spring to mind. Been a while, though.Thad wrote:The joke with Cartman isn't just hey, look how transgressive this is. It's that Cartman is an awful, awful person.
But of course he's the most popular character on the show, because he gets all the best jokes. Plus, he's the only one who's remotely interesting or has any depth whatsoever.
Brentai wrote:Thad wrote:But I'd say it's more a definition of one of the tenets of comedy. Someone who's got power taking advantage of someone who doesn't isn't funny; someone who's powerless putting one over on someone who is powerful is funny.
You keep saying that like it's a universal constant
but I'm pretty sure the oppressors think it's hilarious to run roughshod over the oppressed.
sei wrote:They did more with other characters in later seasons, including a great deal with Randy (Stan's dad). Kind of turned him into a less-dumb, but crazier Homer. The Lorde episode and Internet outage episodes spring to mind.
Romosome wrote:I hate that "politically correct", a derogatory term Republicans coined to equate being considerate of others with POLITICAL CONSPIRACY, is accepted terminology now.
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