The... *Democrats* will eat themselves?

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The... *Democrats* will eat themselves?

Postby Mongrel » Thu Nov 02, 2017 6:02 pm

Politico: Donna Brazile is making some explosive allegations, that the 2016 Democratic Primary campaign was indeed rigged by Hillary, that Debbie Wasserman-Schultz was essentially an empty-headed figurehead under Hillary's complete control, and that Hillary left the party in even worse financial straits than she took over.

The core of the allegation is that Hillary forced a bankrupt Democratic Party into a not-technically-illegal but unprecedented funding agreement that gave her campaign effectively near-total control of the party machinery over a year before she was the nominee. It also stripped many local and state campaigns of vast sums of money.

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Re: The... *Democrats* will eat themselves?

Postby Thad » Thu Nov 02, 2017 6:39 pm

I think "rigged" is an exaggeration; the DNC simply doesn't have that much power or influence. The DNC's fuckery is unseemly, and it needs to be addressed (and now is a much better time to address it than a year in the past or future), but it didn't swing 3 million votes.

That said, it sure looks like Pérez is purging Sanders supporters, which suggests that fucking no one has learned anything.

That is, except Democratic voters. Donations to the DNC are way down, and fortunately that's because people are choosing to donate directly to campaigns.

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Re: The... *Democrats* will eat themselves?

Postby Mongrel » Thu Nov 02, 2017 6:58 pm

Yeah, even Brazile is straight-up saying "This is not illegal". But ya know, if it smells like a turd, I don't care whether it's against the law or not to eat it.

In any case Brazile is obviously not without bias here (I don't think it would have changed the outcome either), but the problem isn't accuracy, it's a nasty fight spilling out all over the place.
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Re: The... *Democrats* will eat themselves?

Postby Mazian » Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:11 pm

Mongrel wrote:The core of the allegation is that Hillary forced a bankrupt Democratic Party into a not-technically-illegal but unprecedented funding agreement that gave her campaign effectively near-total control of the party machinery over a year before she was the nominee.


Ah yes, this breaking Politico reporting from... two years ago?

Doesn't seem like the Sanders campaign was too concerned about it at the time, since shortly thereafter they set up the same agreement with the DNC.

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Re: The... *Democrats* will eat themselves?

Postby Mongrel » Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:30 pm

Brazile is saying that that agreement was misrepresented.

The two claims not present in the 2015 story are that 1) There was a "secret" adjunct agreement whereby Hillary was given effective control of the Democratic party in exchange for the funding agreement (thereby gaining a massive advantage over other candidates), and 2) The agreed-upon balance of funding in that agreement was not observed and that instead almost all the state and local funds from non-battleground states became a sort of slush fund funnelled to her campaign, when much more of that money should have stayed in the state and local races they were technically raised for.

How much of that is true or accurate, well, I guess we'll see. But yes, the agreement was fine if taken at face value, which it was at the time.
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Re: The... *Democrats* will eat themselves?

Postby TA » Fri Nov 03, 2017 2:02 pm

Yes, they both signed joint fundraising agreements, that's not the issue. The issue is that Clinton used her JFA starting from the moment it was signed to take control of the DNC and funnel all the money that was supposed to be kept reserved for the eventual candidate, and for down-ticket candidates in every state, directly into her primary campaign as soon as it landed. Which is why, as Brazile says, less than half of a percent of the state-specific funds raised for state campaigns stayed in state campaigns, the other 99.5% getting funneled through the DNC to the Hillary Victory Fund and Hillary For America.

Joint Fundraising Agreements are a way for candidates and the DNC to hold joint fundraisers, and split the proceeds. Bernie signed one but didn't exercise it, because he got his campaign money from small donations instead. Hillary used it as an excuse to use the fundraising apparatus of the DNC to raise money and siphon it all for herself, bankrupting the DNC, starting a year before the primaries were over, and the people in charge of the DNC all let this happen. That is the issue.
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Re: The... *Democrats* will eat themselves?

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Re: The... *Democrats* will eat themselves?

Postby Mongrel » Sat Nov 11, 2017 3:17 pm

In a more lighthearted vein, I'm still not tired of this meme:

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Not quite as good as Ted Cruz being the Zodiac Killer, but it's up there.
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