"Coronavirus" is the category, dangit. (COVID-19 thread)

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Re: "Coronavirus" is the category, dangit. (COVID-19 thread)

Postby Mongrel » Wed May 13, 2020 8:22 pm

So, over in Russia, apparently doctors who raise concerns about the lack of PPE or other failing of their health authority are literally being thrown out windows to their deaths.

I'm sure that will solve the problem!
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Postby Brentai » Thu May 14, 2020 5:06 pm

Coming to the realization that Trump (and his crew) are actually motivated to take actions that will make more people die of the coronavirus.

I'm not saying that because I believe that he's some kind of insane death cultist (although he probably is), but from a simple vantage point of logic, optics, and Donald Trump's MO, the "best" course of action is to actively increase the death rate. It goes like this:

- If Trump & Co. take actions that are intended to reduce the number of deaths in the United States from coronavirus, then they have visibly already failed. The number of recorded deaths in the U.S. is over two and a half times the next most afflicted country. It's at best an embarrassment and at worst a tacit admission of criminal negligence.
- If Trump & Co. take no action, then they will have taken no action when, again, our country's death toll is 2.5 times anybody else's. Still embarrassing and negligent.
- If Trump & Co. take a series of actions that have the direct effect of increasing the number of deaths, then the U.S. death toll ceases to be a bug and becomes a feature. It's a simple explanation that we chose to limit loss of life in the long term due to economic recession, by sacrificing a number of unfortunately infirm people in the short term. Nice and rational, as long as you accept it as not fucked up that a recession - which happens now at the end of every decade like it's the resurrection of Count Dracula - will kill more people than a global viral epidemic.

I'm starting to think that the United States might actually be a terrifying place to live.
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Re: "Coronavirus" is the category, dangit. (COVID-19 thread)

Postby Thad » Thu May 14, 2020 5:24 pm

Perhaps that's true of people in Trump's orbit.

I don't think Trump's reasoning is that complicated. He just bluffs and assumes everything will work out for him. And so far, it has.

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Postby Mongrel » Thu May 14, 2020 5:31 pm

Brentai wrote:I'm starting to think that the United States might actually be a terrifying place to live.

The prospect of living there permanently for any amount of time has been terrifying for me for pretty much as long as I can recall, and I am in no way being hyperbolic. This opinion did not change after having lived there for a few months either.

There should be an active international campaign to warn immigrants and refugees to not go to the US.
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Postby Yoji » Thu May 14, 2020 6:33 pm

My existence here has been fortunately cozy so far. But there's been a persistent whisper in the back of my head since about my early twenties, asking repeatedly and a little louder each time "...but for how much longer?"

I'm not really a superstitious person, but the last time my brain did that to myself, it was telling me "there is no God" and... well, look where I wound up.
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Postby Grath » Thu May 14, 2020 8:28 pm

Yoji wrote:I'm not really a superstitious person, but the last time my brain did that to myself, it was telling me "there is no God" and... well, look where I wound up.

... in purgatory?

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Postby Brentai » Thu May 14, 2020 8:58 pm

Thad wrote:Perhaps that's true of people in Trump's orbit.

I don't think Trump's reasoning is that complicated. He just bluffs and assumes everything will work out for him. And so far, it has.


I do not mean to imply that Trump is cognizant of a lot of things but I do think he's alert enough in matters regarding his own ego. Or at least his instincts are. If there are only two things his lizard brain understands, it's "I am losing" and "If I do this I will be winning".

More to the point, though, I did not mean to imply that the reasoning in that post is anybody's specific thinking - it's just the state of affairs. Democracy (and an extraordinary number of unempathetic voters) is encouraging Trump's gang to kill people, and they're mostly at fault of being okay with that.
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Postby beatbandito » Thu May 14, 2020 9:38 pm

I think it's just more that people that don't vote for him live in cities.
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Postby mharr » Fri May 15, 2020 1:40 am

Playing with fire, then. Reel out the slack and hope it doesn't start decimating the heartland before the election's in the bag. Fuck, I honestly don't know what to hope for.

A well timed meteor to the white house, maybe.

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Postby Thad » Fri May 15, 2020 12:40 pm

mharr wrote:A well timed meteor to the white house, maybe.

No meteors necessary; we're already in the middle of a freak natural occurrence and it's not difficult to imagine a scenario in which it incapacitates the president.

I'm not saying that's likely -- given his habits, I'd say there's a reasonable likelihood that he'll get COVID-19 at some point in the next six months, but it probably won't kill him (it has less than a 10% fatality rate for people under 80, and the president has access to the best healthcare in the world) -- but it's a lot likelier than a meteor.

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Postby Grath » Fri May 15, 2020 1:49 pm

Thad wrote:it probably won't kill him (it has less than a 10% fatality rate for people under 80, and the president has access to the best healthcare in the world)

On the other hand, he's the healthiest president to ever president, despite constantly eating McDonalds and possibly having a sudafed abuse problem along with never exercising, so his heart is TOTALLY FINE and he won't even need that healthcare.

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Postby Brentai » Fri May 15, 2020 2:18 pm

I would not be the least but surprised to find out he's being propped up with regular injections of cocaine, morphine, fish pills, viagra, bull semen, rhino horn, etc. etc. right now.

I wouldn't be surprised to find out he's been like that for years and is too generally fucked up at all times for anybody to even notice he had COVID-19.
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Re: "Coronavirus" is the category, dangit. (COVID-19 thread)

Postby Mongrel » Fri May 15, 2020 3:02 pm

Big grain of salt here, as the source isn't exactly neutral, but Foreign Policy Magazine is claiming they have a leak of a more detailed version of a Covid database the PLA's military university has been maintaining publicly. The public version only shows geographic coverage, while the leak contains a list of all individual data entries.

They're not explicitly making the claim that each data entry is a case, but the document shows 640,000 distinct data entries at a specific location, with the resultant map matching the public one. If those are each an individual case entries, 640,000 would be a much higher number than the CPC's claimed total of 80,000 infections.

Which is still like... okay, you have over a billion people. That's not a horrendous per capita rate and still creditable as a good effort in containment (and no matter how high the infection rate, they've definitely gone down; that's no lie), so if it's true all it did was fuck everyone else's response planning.

But if it's just periodic updates, and if each case has been updated an average of eight times, there's your 80k. What's stupid is that we have to play this guessing game.
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Postby mharr » Sat May 16, 2020 11:43 am

It doesn't have to be an actual meteor, just something that can't be (successfully) blamed on a convenient underclass and takes out Pence at the same time. A big part of the general shittiness of COVID is it being the perfect deniable weapon for individuals to use against general populations, and depressingly unlikely to operate in karmic reverse.

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Re: "Coronavirus" is the category, dangit. (COVID-19 thread)

Postby Brentai » Sat May 16, 2020 12:19 pm

If a meteor hit the White House I'm pretty sure they'd have a reason ready for why it's the Democrats' fault.
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Postby nosimpleway » Sat May 16, 2020 1:32 pm

It's all because Obama undercut NASA's meteorite tracking and monitoring program. Didn't leave the current administration any way to handle falling space debris.

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