beatbandito wrote:Brentai wrote:You think the point is academic but if you're ever going to pull in support from people who have, sometime in their lifetimes, ever had a positive interaction with a police officer, you need to make the distinction.
People who can see the protests and think "well they're not all bad" are too busy scissoring a fence to worry about courting. They'll be just as inactive when an actual civil war breaks out. People who might actually do something don't need to be told to worry about the complicit ones that just don't understand or choose not to act and go with it.
Historically, I don't think trying to make the message palatable to the white moderate has ever worked.
But even if there ever was a time where that would have been the right strategy, I think that time has passed.
74% of Americans view George Floyd's death as an underlying racial injustice problem: POLL
Nearly three-fourths of Americans view the death of George Floyd at the hands of a white police officer as a sign of an underlying racial injustice problem, a new ABC News/Ipsos poll finds, a significant shift from a similar question asked just six years ago.
This poll shows a more than 30-point increase in the belief that recent events reflect a broader issue over racial injustice from an ABC News/Washington Post poll from December 2014, four months after the shooting of Michael Brown, an 18-year black man, by a white cop, and five months after the death of Eric Garner, a black man, who died after being put in a chokehold by a white officer. In the 2014 poll, 43% of Americans said those instances showed signs of a broader problem, while 51% called it an isolated incident.
In the new ABC News/Ipsos poll, which was conducted by Ipsos in partnership with ABC News using Ipsos’ Knowledge Panel, only 26% believe the incident is an isolated one.
And, at a time of deep strife and unrest, there is a rare show of uniformity across race and party about the treatment of African Americans by the police.
Majorities of whites (70%), blacks (94%), Hispanics (75%), Democrats (92%), Republicans (55%) and independents (71%) agree that what happened to Floyd exemplifies a systemic rift between law enforcement and black communities in the country.
Just one poll, for now, but it could be a real sign that opinion has finally shifted.
There may not be anybody left to convince. We may be at the point where everybody who can possibly be convinced that there's a fundamental problem of racism in American law enforcement has been.
I must make two honest confessions to you, my Christian and Jewish brothers. First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
This quote gets posted every so often but I was reading Thad's link and it was in the letter, and I felt compelled to talk about it.
See, MLK gets quoted a lot, and a lot of the shit he said was important.
In my opinion, this quote is his most important quote. This shit? The "White Moderate" shit you see going on right now? I would prefer if they were just fucking openly goddamn Nazis almost. (Not really, but almost.) It's so fucking insane. So. Fucking. Insane.
I have just received a letter from a white brother in Texas. He writes: "All Christians know that the colored people will receive equal rights eventually, but it is possible that you are in too great a religious hurry. It has taken Christianity almost two thousand years to accomplish what it has. The teachings of Christ take time to come to earth." Such an attitude stems from a tragic misconception of time, from the strangely irrational notion that there is something in the very flow of time that will inevitably cure all ills. Actually, time itself is neutral; it can be used either destructively or constructively. More and more I feel that the people of ill will have used time much more effectively than have the people of good will. We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the hateful words and actions of the bad people but for the appalling silence of the good people.
I'm talking about the people who are still doing the same song and dance that they were giving MLK. About how the protests are counter-productive and could you please just go kneel somewhere we can't see you and can ignore you.