Trump Leaving Office Poll (Part 2)

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1. Trump will never concede and will be escorted/thrown out, a humiliating end that he will actually allow to happen
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41%
2. Trump will concede, chuckle, say "You got me fair and square", a humiliating end that he will actually allow to happen
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3. other
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59%
 
Total votes: 22
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Re: Trump Leaving Office Poll (Part 2)

Postby Cait » Fri Feb 16, 2024 8:13 pm

Last I saw, Lara Trump (Eric's wife) is running for RNC chair explicitly on "fuck the other candidates, Trump needs every dime"

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Re: Trump Leaving Office Poll (Part 2)

Postby KingRoyal » Fri Feb 16, 2024 8:14 pm

Raiding the GOP coffers will take 10s to 20s of dollars off his debt
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Re: Trump Leaving Office Poll (Part 2)

Postby Mongrel » Fri Feb 16, 2024 8:24 pm

As long as the GOP coffers stay empty!
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Re: Trump Leaving Office Poll (Part 2)

Postby Thad » Sat Feb 17, 2024 4:52 pm

Just saw an observation that Trump hasn't put up the money to appeal the recent Carroll ruling.

If he can't afford to appeal that judgement, he certainly can't afford to appeal one 5 times its size.

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Re: Trump Leaving Office Poll (Part 2)

Postby Thad » Wed Feb 28, 2024 7:32 pm

Thad wrote:I still think the likeliest outcome is that SCOTUS rejects the appeal and lets the lower court's ruling stand. No guarantees of anything, but there's no circuit split to resolve, Trump's argument is really, really dumb, and IIRC Kavanaugh wrote the majority when they threw out his last attempt to claim (narrower) immunity.

Like I said, no guarantees of anything. They've agreed to take the appeal.

I still don't think they're likely to decide in his favor, but they're helping him delay his trial for no good damn reason, which is pretty fucking bad in itself!

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Re: Trump Leaving Office Poll (Part 2)

Postby Crick » Wed Feb 28, 2024 8:01 pm

Maybe they feel obligated and taking the appeal but then ruling against him is the best they can do?

I'm not entirely convinced they won't just make him a king, but I hold out some measure of hope.

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Re: Trump Leaving Office Poll (Part 2)

Postby Thad » Wed Feb 28, 2024 8:10 pm

Crick wrote:Maybe they feel obligated and taking the appeal but then ruling against him is the best they can do?

I guess. I'm not sure why they'd feel obligated, though; there's no circuit split, the argument is dumb, the ruling is thorough, and they've already ruled against him on more limited claims of immunity.

I assume Thomas and Alito are all in but I'm kinda morbidly curious why two more signed on.

Crick wrote:I'm not entirely convinced they won't just make him a king, but I hold out some measure of hope.

I think if they make him a king it will be indirectly, by helping him shunt this shit off until after the election, get reelected, and then just do whatever he wants.

I think there are a couple people on the court who take that as a positive, and maybe a few whose normalcy bias is strong enough that they don't think that's really what's going to happen. And Gorsuch seems the most prone to chase ideological consistency without regard for real-world results.

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Re: Trump Leaving Office Poll (Part 2)

Postby Crick » Wed Feb 28, 2024 8:15 pm

Perhaps they want to make it clear this won't "ever" fly, setting precedent and all that?

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Re: Trump Leaving Office Poll (Part 2)

Postby Thad » Thu Feb 29, 2024 12:57 pm

Not out of the question.

And it could just be noodling. Like, they could be taking it because it's something they want to write about. Kavanaugh in particular has a history with questions of presidential immunity and it could just be something he likes talking about.

Which isn't great either. These guys are far-right ideologues, but they're also ivory-tower intellectuals who are often more interested in discussing theory than worrying about what it's going to mean in real life.

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Re: Trump Leaving Office Poll (Part 2)

Postby Friday » Thu Feb 29, 2024 2:12 pm

Thad, you keep talking about normalcy bias and ivory-tower intellectuals. Are you trying to get me to vote for you in 2024? Because I sent in my ballot for president already, so that ship has sailed.
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Re: Trump Leaving Office Poll (Part 2)

Postby Mongrel » Sun Mar 03, 2024 4:59 pm

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Re: Trump Leaving Office Poll (Part 2)

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Re: Trump Leaving Office Poll (Part 2)

Postby Thad » Mon Mar 04, 2024 11:59 am

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He speaks with the cadence of Jerry Lewis.

KingRoyal wrote:9-0 for Trump

Gonna be kinda hard to spin that as partisan, but I'm sure I'll be seeing people try in the hours, weeks, and months to come.

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Re: Trump Leaving Office Poll (Part 2)

Postby Mongrel » Mon Mar 04, 2024 3:03 pm

Thad wrote:He speaks with the cadence of Jerry Lewis.

That one's established as well. But in Trump's specific case, I feel the more opportunities for mockery, the better.
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Re: Trump Leaving Office Poll (Part 2)

Postby Mongrel » Wed Mar 06, 2024 1:10 am

Hayley won Vermont, which would otherwise be a punchline, but is likely to get under Trump's skin anyway.

Anything which increases his bile levels prior to November...
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Re: Trump Leaving Office Poll (Part 2)

Postby Thad » Wed Mar 06, 2024 11:56 am

She's officially won two more contests than Pat Buchanan in 1992.

(The other was DC.)

I see the Wikipedia page now refers to her campaign as suspended, which is the first I'm hearing of it but obviously I can't say as I'm terribly surprised.

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Re: Trump Leaving Office Poll (Part 2)

Postby Mongrel » Wed Mar 06, 2024 12:56 pm

Just saw that myself. Pointedly, she did not endorse Trump. Small favours.
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Re: Trump Leaving Office Poll (Part 2)

Postby Mongrel » Fri Mar 08, 2024 4:38 pm

Lara Trump in as RNC co-chair.

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Re: Trump Leaving Office Poll (Part 2)

Postby Thad » Fri Mar 15, 2024 11:01 am

Judge McAfee rules that Willis can continue with the Georgia prosecution provided Wade doesn't.

The case is appealable, by either side. Notably, McAfee's decision leaves the possibility open that if the appellate court decides to disqualify Willis, that doesn't necessarily disqualify the line prosecutors in the DA's office from continuing on without her.

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Re: Trump Leaving Office Poll (Part 2)

Postby Mongrel » Mon Mar 18, 2024 4:21 pm

Trump fails to secure bond as asset seizures loom
Donald Trump efforts to secure a bond to cover a $454 million judgment in a New York civil fraud case has been rejected by 30 surety companies, his lawyers said on Monday, inching him closer to the possibility of having his properties seized.

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