It's raining protagonists: Let's play Dragon Warrior IV!

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Re: It's raining protagonists: Let's play Dragon Warrior IV!

Postby François » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:43 am

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One might think that getting Taloon and Neta their own shop would be the end of Chapter 3, but any merchant can own a shop. It takes more than that to be the greatest arms trader in the world!

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Image: Of course not!
Image: I'll stay at the shop and you bring in the merchandise, OK? When you speak to me over this counter, I'll take the goods you bring and put them up for sale.
Image: Got it. We'll have something before long, no sweat.

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Image: It'll be yours one day, so be sure to help your mom out, okay?

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So, the shop. You can give Neta any item that you could sell to a regular store, and the next day, she'll have sold at least a few of them for more than you'd buy them from another shop. It doesn't make a lot of economical sense, but you can buy weapons from the shop across the street, give them to Neta to sell, and turn a profit. Looks like folk don't shop around much!

Now it would be very tempting to unload the Broad Swords and Half Plate Armors we have, but we better hang on to those specific items for now, for a reason that will become clear very soon. Sooo we can't really sell anything right now.

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Image: Do we have business at the castle?
Image: Actually, yeah, we do. I got a hot tip from the logistics folk: the soldiers here could use new gear. I've got an in with the king, so maybe I can leverage that into a supply contract.
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Image: Heh, I'll tell Neta to give you guys a discount.
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Image: Ah, good day, Your Highness!
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Image: It's all thanks to your kind permission.
Image: How about taking a big order from me?
Image: I'd be honored!
Image: I want you to collect weapons and armor for my soldiers and deliver them to the people downstairs.
Image: Alright, anything specific?
Image: My order is 7 Broad Swords and 7 suits of Half Plate Armor!
Image: Seven, and... seven. Perfect! I'll get these to you as soon as possible!

Aaaaand this is why it's unwise to give those to Neta.

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Image: I... Um... I won't pretend I'm much of a merchant, but I can't help but notice you didn't negotiate a price.
Image: Kings don't haggle with commoners, Laurent. I figure I'll bill him once all is said and done. Seven Broad Swords for two grand each, seven Half Plates for twelve hundred each, that's 22400 gold's worth of steel, so let's say an even 25000 to make it worth my while.
Image: So you're going to make 2600 gold from outfitting seven royal guards?
Image: It looks bad if I have to source the gear through retail, but whatever I can scrounge up from those critters in the wild is pure profit.
Image: Won't the soldiers mind that their equipment is used?
Image: They're using Copper Swords and Leather Armor right now. Trust me, if it's sturdy, they won't care where it's from.

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Image: Good day, my fine fellows, I'm here about the king's request.
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Image: T-that'll be fine, gentlemen.
Image: You can buy them in other towns if you want. Do your best.

So, yeah, we'll be getting almost three times the value of the gear if we can fulfill the whole order. It's like the king is grateful for something!

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Image: Absolutely, let's get started.
Image: Then I'll take your Broad Sword and Half Plate Armor. 3 Broad Swords! 1 Suit of Half Plate Armor! I've made a record of the delivery. The rest of the order is... 4 Broad Swords! 6 Suits of Half Plate Armor! Keep bringing them.
Image: Will do!

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Image: Sixty thousand!
Image: With that kind of money, I could open a branch in Bonmalmo!
Image: What about that old guy in the tunnel? Didn't he need that kind of money?
Image: Hmm... Trade with Santeem is cut off for some reason, so it might be a good idea in the long term to open a path to the east. Ah, it's too bad Endor doesn't have shipyards.

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Image: So what's the plan now?
Image: Eh, while I've got you guys with me, I might as well pick that cave clean. We left a bunch of good stuff down there.
Image: I'm all for bashing a few more heads.
Image: How about we bring some Antidote Herb this time?
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We only have 24 gold left, so we pick up two bundles, they'll have to do. And we can't afford to replace the Iron Shield we sold to buy the shop, so Taloon has to go hatless and shieldless. Good thing he's gained a few levels since we first went to that cave.

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Oh, hmm, that's right, we didn't get a free heal while Taloon's family traveled south, and Laurent only has 29 MP. I'd go to the inn, but our crew's contracts are running out soon, so we should make the most of it.

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Sweet! Aaaand we retrieve one Broad Sword and Half Plate from the flooded level without much incident. That's all of the loot in here!

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Considering Morning Stars and Iron Spears usually go for 1250 and 880 respectively, that's a lot of profit!

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Image: The rest of the order is... 2 Broad Swords! 5 Suits of Half Plate Armor! Keep bringing them.

Having found so many Broad Swords is very, very fortunate, since they're the most expensive of the two. We've just about run out of guaranteed chests, though. From this point on, we fulfill the rest of the royal order through more random drops, or buy the gear with our shop's profits. There's functionally no rushing that: you pretty much gotta get into a bunch of fights, or spend several days stocking Taloon's shop with store-bought gear.

There is one more trip I'd like to make, though. We earned about 700 gold from fighting in the cave, so we buy a Chain Sickle, give it to Neta, and leave north.

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Night falls just as we're out of sight of Endor. Laurent's still running on empty, but most overworld monsters are not dangerous at this point.

As the sun rises next...

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Image: No problem, I understand. Thanks for your service!
Image: I sure earned that 600 gold, haven't I?
Image: We can call it a learning experience. Don't undervalue your skills, and maybe try not to fail to put Vampire Bats to sleep quite so often in the future.

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Image: Strom, it's been real!
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Aaaand they're both gone immediately. It's okay, we're almost there.

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Image: I practically own the city now!
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Image: Heh, kidding aside, I guess we'll see if we made any money off of it when I get back. Fingers crossed!

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Image: Actually, no. I have my own shop in Endor now, sooooo I won't be working here anymore. I won't be long, I just wanted to say thanks for giving me my start. So... thanks.
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Image: No problem. Do what you want. If you want to work here again, come back.

There's nothing stopping us from working here again, and it would give us more chances to get Swords of Malice, but we have better things to do! It'd very inconvenient at this point besides, since we can't sleep at home anymore and the innkeep won't rent us a room (given that he still assumes we have somewhere to stay).

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Image: Oof. Wonder if we'll find a buyer soon.

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Image: It has walls and everything!

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Image: You know, you could really get your son to do this for free.
Image: Oh, it's not just the same without you, Taloon.
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Image: Likewise, kid. Hope it all works out for you.

And at night...

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Image: Huh! I don't know if I like thinking of it that way, but... I guess I am!

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Image: Ooooh crap, it must have been that Full Plate!

Image: Someone else was also tricked by foxes. What was his name? I think it sounded like da Gardi...
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We find a Wooden Hat after a Giant Worm fight here. Might as well keep it on this time; if we're going to be fighting solo, it's best to do it with full gear. We'll get that Iron Shield replaced too!

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Image: Oh, I trust you to set sensible prices, sweetheart.

We haven't sold anything yesterday, and we need a rest badly, so we spend our 350-odd gold on a Chain Mail for the shop, and take it easy for the rest of the day.

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Image: Yeah, I just came back from Lakanaba to say goodbye to everyone in person, so I'm pooped. Let me know if you need a break at the counter, alright?
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Image: Ah, it's still so good to be here. I missed you.
Image: Here's your lunch. Have a good day.

Of course we still get our Lunch!

Now, if we go to the counter and say we have merchandise...

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Image: Oh, that's the stuff! Excellent work, Neta.
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Everything sold! (Except the Leather Armor we just handed over of course.)

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The plan now is to go back to the cave, get into fights until we have to turn back or our inventory is full, then return to Endor, deliver any portion of the king's order we can, unload the rest at the store for Neta to sell, and spend all our gold on extra stock. Once we've made enough cash to buy the rest of the order in one go, we'll do just that.

We get our replacement Iron Shield, and that'll be enough to get our routine started!

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Even Vampire Bats only scratch Taloon through his complete gear at this point, so we're in very little danger. Poison Lizards would still be a bother, but I don't think they appear at all on the upper level.

Taloon gets to level 12 before long, for 3 Str, 2 Agi, 3 Vit, 1 Int, and 6 HP. That's better than usual.

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Alright, that'll be enough for today.

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Gah, right, if our inventory is full, we don't get Lunch. Oh well. And the Leather Armor didn't sell yesterday. Now, see, if I had thought things through, I would have bought stock before I left. This time, we get three Morning Stars, a Venomous Dagger and a Chain Sickle for the store before our trip.

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We get an Iron Spear drop just out of the castle, so we bring it back to the shop right away.

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Okay, that's day two. Having only three slots open felt a little stifling, so we left the Wooden Hat behind after all. We did get a few Coppers Swords and Leather Armors on top of this, but at this point I don't want to bring back anything less valuable than Chain Mail.

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Image: The rest of the order is... 1 Broad Sword! 2 suits of Half Plate Armor! Keep bringing them.

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Back home, we deliver the extra Chain Mail and another Morning Star we bought with the cash we made fighting in the cave. At least we'll have room for a Lunch tomorrow this time!

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All that's left is a Copper Sword and one Morning Star. We could go through the whole cycle again as long as we like, but for now, we have more than enough to save ourselves some time and buy the rest of the royal order directly. We can get the two Half Plate suits right here in Endor, but the Broad Sword requires a trip to Bonmalmo. That'll only be be 4400 gold, so we can use the rest to restock our inventory before we leave.

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We make it back home past sunset, so we spend another night.

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Still a decent amount, considering we had less stuff!

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Image: Aaaand we're done.
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Image: It's a pleasure doing business with you!

Image: Goodness! Gonzalo, why didn't you ever get us a royal contract?
Image: I... Ah... Um... I didn't exactly... quit my job at the castle in the most graceful way.
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Image: What. Did you do.
Image: It may have involved calling everyone "gigantic cowards" and saying I was "impossibly ashamed" of the entire royal guard, very loudly, several times. Many times.
Image: Oh, that must not have gone over well.
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Image: I'm sorry.
Image: If you think the king of Aliahan would have spent sixty thousand on equipment for his soldiers, I have news for you.
Image: Oof, yeah, good point. Never mind.

Image: I appreciate your effort. I wish you good luck in your business.
Image: I think I already got more than my share of good fortune so far, but I won't say no to even more!

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Image: You can say that again!
Image: Use it wisely.
Image: Yeah, I will. I have something in mind already.

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Image: That's sixty thousand alright. Oh me, oh my.

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Image: If it helps keep everyone in Endor safe, I'd do it all over again.
Image: By the way, have you heard of the Zenithian Sword?
Image: I have, actually!
Image: I hear it's the most powerful sword in the world. It can even break rocks, they say.
Image: That can't possibly be good for the edge.
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Image: Do get in line, Your Majesty!

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Image: The Zenithian Sword, eh? Hmm...

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Image: I don't know where it is, but it's clearly not here. Or in Lakanaba, or Bonmalmo.

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Image: It's... somewhere out there. Across the mountains. Across the sea, maybe. And at the rate things have been going, we could be making another sixty thousand in a week. If I want to be the world's greatest weapon merchant, there's only one thing I can do with this money.

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Image: Heh, here's to hoping Neta continues to see things my way.

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Image: Let it not be said I don't give back to the community! I've got your tunnel right here, my good man.
Image: You do? Yes, I've received 60000 gold pieces. I'll use this money to hire people and restart the excavation. Be assured it'll be finished.
Image: You have my full confidence. I'm looking forward to good news!

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Image: Welp, the dice are cast. Either I'm on my way to being the world's greatest merchant or I'm on my way to being the world's dumbest sucker.

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We spend the 7000 we have left on more stock, and call it a day.

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So, yeah, here's the thing. Both dungeons we've been to are completely optional, and you don't strictly have to take the king's order to progress. Neta's amazing salesmanship is more than equal to the task of funding the eastern tunnel.

Speaking of which, let's visit the dig site today!

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A Lilypa drops a Wooden Hat on the way. Might as well keep that one, heh.

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Image: That's the spirit, lads!
Image: They say the Casino in Endor reopened. I'll go there soon!

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Image: I knew you could do it!
Image: When it's done, I'll send a message to your house. It will be soon.

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Image: Anyway, aren't you a little tired of working?
Image: Heh, it's not too bad. As far as I'm concerned, you have the hardest part of the job!
Image: I hear the Casino reopened. Why don't you go there and relax?
Image: The Casino, eh? It's not really my thing, but sure, I'll kick back for a bit.

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Yup, it's open again. And Ragnar has moved on. Everything's the same as it was in Alena's chapter. In fact, it's so much "the same" that...

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...we have Alena's coins. The game doesn't keep track of individual parties' casino coins, it's just the one amount for everyone. That's why we spent all of our money on them at the end of the last chapter... and also why we're about to spend almost all of our money now.

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Okay, there's one difference after all: where Alena would have paid 10 gold for one coin, here Taloon would pay 200. Cash is too easy to come by for him, so it would kinda break the game to have coins as cheap as they used to be.

So here's the thing. Chapter 3 is almost over, and I don't think it spoils too much to say that this won't be the last we see of Taloon. Casino coins carry over as we've seen, and characters keep their respective inventories (mostly), but for all intents and purposes, any gold left unspent at the end of a chapter is lost. Ragnar can mitigate this by filling his inventory with expensive equipment, and Alena can buy coins for cheap. Ideally, if you're going to minmax this, Taloon sells all his stuff and fills his inventory with Swords of Malice (if available in Lakanaba) or Broad Swords (since they have the highest gold value per inventory slot otherwise).

However, that kind of throws off the intended game flow a bit later on... so I'm not going to do it. It's not a dramatic effect, but I just want to go without this time around.

I also don't want to just throw away the cash we have now, so we buy a hundred hideously overpriced coins and leave it at that. Plot-wise we'll have to pretend Taloon leaves his money at home, because I'm not about to try justifying him blowing his family's liquid assets on gambling.

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Image: Well, at least the drinks were okay.

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Image: ...yeah, I am. It's just... I'm really happy I got this place for us. But I still don't want to be just another merchant.
Image: Alright, I won't say anything.
Image: You know you can if you want to, right?
Image: You're always chasing dreams... But that's what I love about you.
Image: I don't think I have the words to say how happy I am to know you still have my back.
Image: Why don't you go? I'll be waiting for your return.
Image: If there's anyone in the world who could convince me to stay here, it's you. So I'll be on my way, then, and I promise I'll take a bunch of Wings with me. I love you, Neta. So much. See you soon.

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Image: She reminds me of your mother, Zofia.
Image: It's not an easy life, but I don't think she would have traded my father for anyone else in the world.
Image: Surely she would have liked him to be home more often.
Image: Yes, but... She used to tell me that she didn't wish he was different. Even if being who he was meant he wasn't with us very much.
Image: It's all about making good use of the time you did have with each other, right?
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Image: Hey, champ. I, uh... I know I've already been on a bit of a trip. But I need to head out again, maybe for a while. I can't be the kind of merchant I want to be without learning about all kinds of gear from all around the world, you know? I promise I'll be back as soon as I can, so in the meantime I'm going to need you to keep taking good care of your mom for me. We have enough money right now, so make sure she doesn't work too hard, okay?

Taloon's son doesn't get any new dialog for this, which is a bit of a missed opportunity. Oh well.

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Image: Well that was money well spent! Good work!
Image: Carry on my dream and collect as many treasures as possible.
Image: Heh, I can hardly wait to show my son what I find out there.

There are already people traveling through the tunnel in both directions!

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Image: May the best man win on that one!
Image: If you go through the cave and reach an eastern country, you may find out something about it.

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Image: There's plenty of money to be made there. I'm sure you'll do great!

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Whew, that's it for Chapter 3. I remember fulfilling the king's order took me a lot longer than this in other runs, so I have to presume I got extremely lucky with the random drops this time around.

Anyway, that sure was a palate-cleanser after the end of Alena's chapter, wasn't it? In a shocking turn of events, nothing bad happened to Taloon's family, and the man succeeded at everything he attempted! It wasn't just a difference in tone, either. Chapter 3's dungeons are (technically) optional, there are no boss fights, and we're given the means to make all combat nearly trivial. It's just not what the series has led us to expect... so in that way I'm not surprised it turns out to be extremely divisive even among fans of the game. I personally like what it does a lot, even if mechanically-speaking it could stand to be a bit deeper with its trading focus. There is something refreshingly unique about getting to play a sales clerk in the boonies working his way up to being able to throw tens of thousand of gold coins at a tunnel digging project, and there's some real thematic strength to getting to hire your own employees and progress being measured in being able to get the right supplies to the right people, from Wings for a friend's son to equipment for Endor's royal guards.

That's all we see of the shopkeep mechanics for the rest of the game though, so the following chapters will have to find other new notions to bring to the table. And find them they do, for better and for worse!

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Re: It's raining protagonists: Let's play Dragon Warrior IV!

Postby Friday » Tue Dec 04, 2018 11:48 am

other new notions


my name is Cristo and I will kill this boss with Beat
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Re: It's raining protagonists: Let's play Dragon Warrior IV!

Postby François » Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:23 pm

The man's got rhythm in his soul, he can't help it!

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Re: It's raining protagonists: Let's play Dragon Warrior IV!

Postby TA » Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:14 pm

François wrote:Ideally, if you're going to minmax this, Taloon sells all his stuff and fills his inventory with Swords of Malice (if available in Lakanaba) or Broad Swords (since they have the highest gold value per inventory slot otherwise).

However, that kind of throws off the intended game flow a bit later on... so I'm not going to do it. It's not a dramatic effect, but I just want to go without this time around.


I definitely extremely always did and do this every time I play the game.

Honestly, an inventory full of Swords of Malice isn't that huge of a thing? When you find Taloon in Konenber, they're already selling you Broad Swords and you probably already got one to clear the Lighthouse. The Sword of Malice is only 5 attack power above it, and at that point only the Hero and Taloon can equip it - and the very next town sells them anyway. The dude bringing eight to the party is mostly useful as a way to get a free 21000 gold, 15750 if you keep two to use, which really doesn't last as long as you'd think.
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Re: It's raining protagonists: Let's play Dragon Warrior IV!

Postby François » Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:34 am

Yeah, it's easier to cheese in the remakes where you have access to the bottomless Bag; my previous playthrough was on the DS so that might be coloring my remembrance of the impact somewhat.

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Re: It's raining protagonists: Let's play Dragon Warrior IV!

Postby François » Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:03 pm



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Image: You're so popular. I want you to stay longer, but I don't want to interfere with your pursuit of revenge. Rest well tonight and leave in the morning. Have a safe journey.

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Image: A fortune-teller and a dancer? What's next, an accountant and a turnip farmer?
Image: Don't judge a book by its cover. I was a dancer once.
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Alright then, the sisters! Let's start with Nara.

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Despite her labeled occupation, Nara's definitely not afraid to get into a scrap or two. In fact, she's essentially a Pilgrim, just like Cristo. Going against gender stereotype, she starts out a bit stronger and slower than he did, with slightly less Intelligence but triple the Luck. (Their Vit, HP and MP are identical.) Their spell lists partially overlap, but both get magic that the other does not. For example, only Cristo has access to instant death effects, and only Nara has access to wind damage.

Nara starts with a Copper Sword, the same sort of Silk Robe as Alena had, and she knows the Heal spell.

As for Mara...

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...she's a Wizard, just like Brey. Their Strength and Agility scores start out the same, but she has much higher Vitality and Luck, and lower Intelligence (the advantages and disadvantages of youth, one presumes). Where Brey is a support/utility caster with ice magic on the side, Mara is a war-mage through and through, almost completely focused on the various types of fire damage spells.

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That said, her only spell for now is Blaze, the weakest single-target fire spell, costing 2 MP. She starts out unarmed, wearing only her Dancer's Costume. It offers 8 defense power, which is only one more point than Wayfarer's Clothes, but it can be sold for a whopping 300 gold.

Before we get going, I just have to point out how the game plays with party composition here: we have two backliners in the front line. All previous chapters' parties had a robust character who didn't particularly mind being in harm's way. Heck, you could say the same for all previous games in the series. But for now, even Taloon was a stronger, sturdier melee combatant than Nara. It's an interesting way to bring variety, but this chapter definitely cranks the difficulty up a couple notches.

Oh, and there's something else to note here. Nara and Mara's sprites have lily-white skin due to the NES' limitations on color palettes, but not only is this party remarkable for being all-women, it's also remarkable for being all-women-of-color. If I may breach my "no outside art" rule one more time...

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The sisters here are meant to be Romani ladies. Or, well, this game doesn't take place on or under Earth as its predecessors did, so it would be whatever this world's equivalent of the Romani people is. (The remakes give them Indian accents, but I don't think that was the original design intent any more than it was for Ragnar to be Scottish or Alena to be Russian.) And that's rad.

Aaaaaanyway. Revenge quest! Let's go.

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Every bit helps!

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Hmm... We'll give it to Mara. Her Strength is low enough that it'll make a difference early on when we want to save MP, and I'm not worried about her late-game attack power.

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The new item of note here is the Leather Dress. It offers 14 defense power, which is two points better than Leather Armor, and it can only be equipped by women. We'll probably want two, but I want to check out the weapon selection first.

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Nara can equip everything here, while Nara is limited to the Thorn Whip and Boomerang. It's tempting to sell the Dancer's Costume and get a Boomerang, but it'd leave Mara squishier than I'm comfortable with, especially at level 1.

In the end, we sell the Costume, buy Nara a Leather Dress, and hand her Silk Robe down to Mara.

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Nara's Copper Sword and Mara's Blaze spell should be enough punch for now.

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Just like Assaram, this town has more going on at night.

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That's probably Lynn in the corner there, but if we try to go around the outside of the inn...

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Oh man, that overworld music. Good grief. I really like the themes for Alena and Taloon, but this one's easily my favorite at this point, by far. (If you're listening to it for the first time, lucky you, let it play past the moment where you think it loops, there's fifty seconds to it.)

It would probably be reckless to try to go north to Kievs right away, so let's get into a few fights around Monbaraba just to test the waters.

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If the overworld theme wasn't already enough, the sisters have their own battle music. It's the full version of the track that plays during Mara's performance at the beginning of the chapter, and it's so good.

Aaaaanyway, Monjars! They have 8 HP, 10 attack, 6 defense, and 5 agility, with no special abilities. They're worth more gold than any other critter in the area though (8 apiece), so it's always good news to see them pop up.

In addition, thanks to helpful reader Lilput linking me to a Japanese monster guide, I can also say with confidence that Monjars and Kaskos Hoppers are vulnerable to all spells one might want to cast on them. Huzzah!

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Red Slimes also make a come-back. Neither sister can always one-shot any of those critters yet, even with Blaze; when there's only one enemy left, we resort to physical attacks to save MP. Fortunately we don't take very much damage in return either; upgrading our body armor at the start looks like it was a good choice.

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Mara levels up here, for 1 Str, 2 Agi, 1 Vit, 1 Int, 2 Luc, 2 HP, and 5 MP. That's two more extremely welcome Blaze casts! Nara follows suit after the next fight, for 2 Str, 3 Agi, 1 Vit, 2 Int, 3 Luc, 2 HP, and 3 MP.

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By the time night falls, Mara is out of juice, but Nara hasn't even had to cast Heal once. Better head back in for now, though.

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As we enter the room here, the girl runs away outside.

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Image: I heard that a coup broke out at Keeleon and the King was overthrown.
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Image: The new King, calling himself an alchemist, is performing horrible experiments.
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The suspicious man runs all the way to the eatery counter.

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Image: Not... that we know of.
Image: If he did, he could become a king.
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Image: ...if Balzack took over Keeleon Castle, it'll make our job a lot harder.
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Image: Good, because I don't want to hear it!
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Aaaaaand that would be the first appearance of the notion of "Pufpuf" in the North American version of the series!

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Of course, this is another animated crowd scene using the background trick. The only regular townsfolk are the ones next to the aisle.

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Image: Where's the castle again?
Image: Where's the Castle? It's far north from here beyond Kievs.

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The Thorn Whip is only two points better than Nara's Copper Sword, but seeing as Mara has no weapon, I think it'll be worth the money for her.

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Heh, they'd have the same attack power if we hadn't given Mara that Strength Seed. Combat should go smoothly enough to make it worth trying to travel north this time, though. Let's go.

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Image: I see. Be careful on your journey.

We've come a long way from the hero of DW1 not having a hometown and the Prince of Midenhall not having a room in his own castle.

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In case you're wondering, the villagers speak directly to Nara even if you put Mara in front of the party.

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There's only the one store in Kievs, so it's good see that wide selection. Only Nara can use the Chain Sickle, but both sisters will want a Feather Hat at some point.

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This dog runs up to us as soon as we get close.

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And it starts following us around.

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Image: Orin, Edgar's other pupil, is hiding in the cave west of this village.
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Ehh... We'll let Nara have those. Since she's in front, she needs all the HP she can get right now. It gives her five.

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I don't expect we'll be able to clear the cave in one go without better gear, but we might as well give it a shot!

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Re: It's raining protagonists: Let's play Dragon Warrior IV!

Postby Friday » Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:54 pm

I haven't really mentioned this yet, but I love the style and bright colors of the NES DW overworlds. It's really amazing.
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Re: It's raining protagonists: Let's play Dragon Warrior IV!

Postby François » Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:40 pm

Oh they're vibrant AF. There's no doubt that the monster/character designs have a lot to do with the DQ look we recognize today, but the palettes for the terrain in the first games count for a lot too.

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Re: It's raining protagonists: Let's play Dragon Warrior IV!

Postby François » Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:25 pm

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We're headed for the western cave where we've heard our father's least murderous pupil has taken refuge... but I went back to town off-camera to buy a Wing of the Wyvern. We don't have the Iron Safe anymore, better be careful!

A battle against a pair of Monjars gets Mara to level 3, for 1 Str, 1 Agi, 2 Int, 1 Luc, 5 MP, and the Sap spell.

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Angel Heads have 14 HP, 13 attack, 13 defense and 7 agility, with a poisonous normal attack. Oof, maybe I should have picked up some Antidote Herbs while I was at it. At least they're highly vulnerable to all magic we care about right now.

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Ha, great timing. We didn't even get poisoned, but Mara took a couple of 3 damage hits. She levels up here, for 2 Str, 1 Agi, 1 Vit, 1 Int, 3 Luc, 2 HP, and 3 MP.

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Aw crap, Ragnar could shrug off a couple Blaze casts from Sizarmagi, but neither sister has close to his HP pool. They're slightly resistant to Blaze, too, so it's good we got Mara that Thorn Whip. Fortunately Demon Toadstools have no noteworthy resistances, and we leave it for last.

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Gah, Nara's poisoned and Nara's in bad shape. It might be too early for us to be in here after all!

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We end up both poisoned and in a world of hurt. Nara gets the Herb because she's the healer, and we limp back out. Mara levels up as we reach the stairs, for 1 Agi, 1 Vit, 2 Int, 2 Luc, 2 HP, and 3 MP.

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Whoops, I forgot Kievs doesn't have a House of Healing. We stay at the inn for free, then head south; I think Nara's Heal spell will be enough for us to get to Monbaraba.

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Whew.

For a moment I'm tempted to buy both sisters a Leather Hat, but if fire damage and poison are the biggest threats right now, they wouldn't help much. We pick up a few Herbs here for now, and we'll get another Wing when we return to Kievs.

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For now though, let's explore the area between Kievs and Monbaraba completely, and earn some more gold and experience.

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Troglodytes start appearing after sundown. They're also weak to magic, so Mara lets loose before they summon a horde.

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Nara reaches level 4 as we finish up, for 1 Str, 1 Agi, 1 Vit, 1 Int, 3 Luc, 1 HP, and 4 MP. I'm not sure it that's what will make a difference, but it'll help. Let's call it a night for now.

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He stays by Edgar's grave this time.

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Alright, three Medical Herbs, four Antidote Herbs, one Wing, we're set.

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Mara levels up off a pair of Sizarmagi here, for 1 Str, 1 Agi, 1 Vit, 2 Int, 2 Luc, 2 HP, and 4 MP. Dang, her next damage spell can't come too soon.

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Lava Dolls have 15 HP, 17 attack, 15 defense, and 5 agility, with enough MP to cast Upper once. Now that's starting to be enough attack power to make us worried about physical damage. They're slightly resistant to Sap and Blaze, but considering how tough they are, Mara's Blaze is still worth the attempt. In fact, we defeat this one before it gets to do anything.

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Gah, I was hoping we wouldn't start running into multiples of those. Mara's first Blaze fails, and they get to Upper each other, which is enough to make it so we can't do more than one damage with our regular attacks. A few more Blaze casts do the job, though. Lava Dolls can drop Magic Potions, and those would be quite welcome at this point.

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I was kinda hoping this would be a weapon maybe, but we have the inventory space to carry an extra Wing, no sweat.

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Xemime have 20 HP, 20 attack, 17 defense, and 12 agility, with the ability to cast Heal and dance the MP-drainin' dance. It's like these guys are tailor-made to be run-enders for Nara and Mara. They're slightly resistant to all magic damage, but weak to Sap.

This fight gets Nara to level 5, for 2 Str, 2 Agi, 2 Vit, 1 Int, 2 Luc, 4 HP, 3 MP, and the Sleep spell. It costs 3 MP, and still attempts to put one group to sleep; the critters we've met so far seem only slightly resistant to it, so it'll be a big help. That's one Cristo didn't learn.

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As intriguing as this place is, I'm calling this run here. We haven't touched our supplies yet, but we've lost too much MP to Xemimes and if this gets any tougher I'm not sure we'll be able to walk out of our own power.

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In fact, we make it out of the cave poisoned and out of juice. We use our extra Wing to return to Monbaraba, heal up, then make the trip back to the cave again. We have 389 gold to our name and could have bought a Boomerang... but if we're going to upgrade our weapons, I'd rather save up for a Chain Sickle.

Mara gets to level 6 on the way back north, for 1 Agi, 1 Vit, 1 Int, 4 Luc, 2 HP, and 6 MP.

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The entire room slides off the bottom of the screen, then back in from the top. It's simulating an elevator going down!

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Before we can exit the room again...

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At the end of a fight against two Toadstools and a Lava Doll, the remaining Toadstool finished off Nara before she could heal herself. I should have healed a turn earlier, but I thought I could leave it for after the fight.

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So that's 262 gold down the drain, plus 30 for the revival. And to think I almost bought Nara a Feather Hat when we passed through Kievs this time. We'll get her one for sure now.

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Oh hey, we run into Rabidhounds near Kievs. Slightly resistant to Sleep, weak to Blaze and Sap, no prob.

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Welp, that's already better. Meet you back at the cave!

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Nara leveled up on the way, for 2 Str, 2 Agi, 1 Vit, 3 Int, 3 Luc, 2 HP, and 6 MP.

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Mara levels up here, for 1 Str, 2 Agi, 2 Vit, 2 Int, 3 Luc, 4 HP, 4 MP, and finally, Firebal. It costs 4 MP this time around, targeting a group of enemies for a fair bit more damage than Blaze. It turns out that the Firebal spells and Blaze spells operate on different resistance stats in DW4 though, so some enemies who are resistant to one may be weak to the other. For that matter, I think all critters we've seen so far except the Xemimes are weak to Firebal.

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These go straight to Nara again, for 6 points. She needs 'em!

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Heh, that almost makes up for what we lost last time. That's the last of this floor, at any rate, so we head back to the elevator in the northwest.

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Blazeghosts are only slightly resistant to Firebal, so this is a lot easier than it looks.

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Image: You're after revenge? I've been recovering, dreaming of revenge, too. Balzack allied himself with the evil ones and gained great magic powers.
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Despite his Alchemist class, Orin is a soldier type, much like Strom, if a fair bit tougher. He's got more HP and attack power than Mara and Nara combined, so we put him in the frontline, where he'll remain for the foreseeable future. He's basically guaranteed to kill one enemy every round in this pit.

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Just as in DW3, the Lamp of Darkness turns day into night at will.

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Gah, we're not in immediate danger, but that'll be almost the last of Mara's MP. We better head back. Nara does level up here, for 2 Str, 2 Agi, 2 Vit, 3 Int, 2 Luc, 5 HP, and 5 MP. As we climb out, Mara follows suit, for 1 Str, 2 Agi, 1 Vit, 2 Int, 3 Luc, 1 HP, 4 MP, and the Return spell, extremely welcome.

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We reached town with 1234 gold, so it's time to upgrade. Nara gets her Chain Sickle, and Mara gets a Leather Dress and a Feather Hat.

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Ah, that's better.

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We rest up and head for the cave once more, hopefully for the last time. Nara levels up on the way, for 2 Str, 1 Agi, 1 Vit, 2 Int, 3 Luc, 1 HP, 4 MP, and the Infernos spell! Costing 2 MP, it deals wind damage to one enemy group; it's cheaper than Firebal, but slightly less powerful.

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Magemonja come with 25 HP, 30 attack, 30 defense, and 17 agility, with the ability to cast IceBolt. They're slightly resistant to Sleep, wind and Blaze; if we didn't already have Orin, they'd be pretty scary.

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Mara reaches level 9 here, for 2 Agi, 1 Vit, 2 Int, 2 Luc, 2 HP, and 4 MP.

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When used in battle, the Sphere of Silence casts StopSpell for free, attempting to block one enemy group's magic. Mara is a touch faster than Nara, so she gets to carry it.

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That's all for this dungeon! We get back out without further difficulty.

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Re: It's raining protagonists: Let's play Dragon Warrior IV!

Postby François » Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:58 pm

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Image: So, to Keeleon Castle, then? We have everything we need.
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Liclicks have 43 HP, 32 attack, 30 defense, and 15 agility, with the ability to cast Surround, which attempts to reduce our entire party's accuracy with standard attacks. They're also slightly resistant to wind and Sleep. These guys hit hard enough to make trying to reach the Keeleon region before completing the western cave extremely dangerous!

Viceters have 35 HP, 38 attack, 28 defense and 30 agility, with a slight resistance to Sleep. They can call for reinforcements, which is no joke considering they're a bit tougher than the creatures we're used to so far.

Even Orin can't one-shot either of these critters alone, which makes it fairly difficult to coordinate attacks; if the sisters help him, they can bring down one foe per round, but he's a guest character and there's no way to know which one he'll try to hit. This fight is easily harder than anything Taloon's had to face. A couple Viceters join to fray though, at which point it's a no-brainer to combo Infernos with Firebal. Nara levels up immediately afterwards, for 1 Str, 1 Agi, 1 Vit, 2 Int, 3 Luc, 2 HP, and 4 MP.

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Keeleon isn't all that far away from Kievs, and we rearch the castle without further encounters with dangerous monsters.

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Orin can straight-up muscle through Magic Key doors. If the tough critters outside weren't deterrent enough to coming here first, we can't get inside without him.

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That man is chasing the girl to the west, and they're moving at the same speed we are so there's no use following them. However...

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This guy isn't moving from his post, so we couldn't have Orin bust us in even if he could handle jail bars. Oh well.

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Each letter in the word "HAPPY" appears individually with a slight delay. That's... pretty creepy.

Anyway, there's nothing else of note at night here. Better set off for that port town.

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Oh hey, it's literally within sight of the castle, no sweat.

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The waitress is frantically rushing from customer to customer and to and from the bar. Dang but those are some heavy drinkers.

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Image: Who's she? Her name is Joy! Hee ha!
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Ooh, new stuff. The Iron Fan is a weapon that only Mara can equip, for 22 attack power, which is a bit stronger than a Chain Sickle. The Venomous Dagger is +24 though, with the paralysis effect on top of that, and not that much more expensive. Of course, if you can afford it, the Poison Needle makes a welcome return, with the same mechanics it had in DW3: high chance of doing exactly 1 damage regardless of your attack power, small chance of inflicting instant death. I suspect the odds for the latter are still 1 in 8, but I don't know for sure.

We get Nara a Morning Star, taking her attack power from 38 to 51. Selling her Chain Sickle and Mara's Thorn Whip leaves us with just enough for a Venomous Dagger as well. I'll want a Poison Needle for Mara at some point, but the Dagger will be a decent enough upgrade for now.

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I'm always nervous when I see Full Moon Herb for sale. Let's pick one up.

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The Fur Coat is a +22 piece of armor that everyone but Brey can equip, making it better than Chain Mail but not nearly as good as Half-Plate Armor. Nara can wear Half-Plate, and we'll end up getting a Coat for Mara at some point. As far as shields go, Mara can't use either Leather or Scale, and Nara can use both, so that'll be another expense later on.

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Image: I wonder why Balzack doesn't want anyone to leave. Things are bad, but they're not "everyone flee the country bad" yet.
Image: Maybe he just doesn't care about issuing passes. Men like him don't become kings to worry about administrative work.

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Image: What's gunpowder?
Image: Oh, it's an alchemical concoction with explosive properties. Now that Edgar's gone, I wouldn't know where to find some these days.
Image: The gunpowder? I got it at Aktemto Mine when I was working there.
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So that's it for Haville. We don't have directions to Aktemto Mine yet, but we've got money to make and plenty of places to explore, so let's get started.

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Oof, Xemimes come in fives now. As strong as Orin is, he only kills one critter at a time at best. Better keep using Infernos and Firebal, even though they're slightly resistant to both.

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Mara reaches level 10 here, for 1 Str, 1 Agi, 2 Vit, 3 Int, 3 Luc, 4 HP, 2 MP, and the extremely welcome Outside spell.

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Five Slimes jump us as night falls. No biggie, right? Well, some Keeleon Slimes are special. They have up to 40 HP, with 0 attack (for some reason), 30 defense, and 15 agility, with the ability to call in more Slimes to the fight. They're also slightly resistant to all fire and ice damage, and highly resistant to wind. It's a strange way to keep them up to date, but they're still basically speed bumps.

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Zappersabers have 30 HP, 40 attack, 30 defense and 16 agility. As if that didn't already make them tough customers, their standard attack can inflict the Numb status, paralyzing their victim until a random amount of steps are taken outside of battle, or a paralysis-curing effect (i.e. a Full Moon Herb) is used.

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Image: The man you seek revenge upon is protected by a tremendous evil force.
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Image: Worry not. I see you are protected by radiant lights... They are small and frail now, but more lights will join them and they'll fuse into one powerful force.
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Image: Heh, you two sure have been lights to me, but I'd never call you small or frail.
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Image: The depths of despair? Our father was murdered! If this isn't our true journey, then I sure as hell don't want to hear about it.
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Image: Well... There are always risks to telling one's own fortune, or so it's said. It's not an ability that should be used selfishly. So I've never looked into what we're doing. Besides...
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Image: ...I'm not sure I want to know where this leads.
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Image: No. No, of course not. Don't worry, there's more to me than just telling fortunes.

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So this is the Keeleon Slimes' real trick: they can only call for reinforcements, and once there are eight of them, they merge into a gargantuan King Slime!

King Slimes have 150 HP, 40 attack, 24 defense, and 17 agility. They have a special move with mechanics I'm not sure of that can deal a ton of damage at once (more than enough to one-shot Nara and Mara, if I recall), and as we've seen, they can cast Fendspell, which blocks all magic directed at them. Let's just say I'm glad Mara managed to sneak in a Sap before it put its defenses up. They're slightly resistant to Firebal, Sap and wind, and highly resistant to Blaze and Sleep. On the plus side, they have a small chance to drop Mystic Acorns, consumable items that permanently increase max MP.

Aaaanyway, we finish this fight with about 900 gold to our name, so let's head back to town and buy Nara a Fur Coat she'll be able to hand down to her sister when we can afford Half-Plate.

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We had enough for a Scale Shield too, nudging Nara's defense ahead of Orin's. She has half his HP though, so she stays behind him. Next upgrade comes in at 1200!

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That's no mistake. As we enter Aktemto, the "party wipe" music starts playing. I can't stress enough how effective that is at conveying what's going on before we've even taken two steps inside. Just as the silence in Santeem was eerie, the atmosphere here is tragic.

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Image: ...goodness.
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Image: Monsters? That can't be a coincidence.
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Image: As long as we don't stay there too long, I think we should be alright.
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Image: Mara, dad wouldn't want us to die in a mine.
Image: I know, I know. But he also probably wouldn't want us to go after his murderer. We're doing this for us.
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Re: It's raining protagonists: Let's play Dragon Warrior IV!

Postby TA » Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:56 pm

Aktemto is a lot when you're a kid.
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Re: It's raining protagonists: Let's play Dragon Warrior IV!

Postby Friday » Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:20 pm

Dragon Quest is a weird mix, because while it's colorful, vibrant and cheerful, it also doesn't shy away from just showing dead people on the ground. In fact I'd argue that its generally nice, storybook atmosphere makes moments like Aktemto a lot more impactful.
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Re: It's raining protagonists: Let's play Dragon Warrior IV!

Postby François » Sun Dec 16, 2018 10:08 pm

Yeah, the contrasts and changes in mood are super important, especially in a game with the length of a typical JRPG. There wasn't all that much of it in 1 and 2, but even just starting from the flavor of the Noaniels segment in 3 you can see the shape of things to come. And considering the limited toolset that could be used to put Aktemto together, I find it difficult to imagine how they could have crafted that atmosphere of overwhelming despair with more skill.

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Re: It's raining protagonists: Let's play Dragon Warrior IV!

Postby François » Sun Dec 16, 2018 10:13 pm

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Alright then, back to our dive into the toxic mines of Aktemto.

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Oof, four Liclicks right off the bat. It's good that both Nara and Mara can inflict magic damage, because all those incoming Surround casts can easily make Orin near worthless.

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Those go to Nara; she has less MP than Mara, and we can always use more healing juice. She gains three max MP!

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Metal Scorpions have 42 HP, 50 attack, 50 defense, and 25 agility, so that's another monster Orin would take forever to kill on his own. They can parry, attack twice every turn, and roll crits, so we definitely want to end this fight quickly. They're slightly resistant to Blaze and Sleep, but Sap, Firebal and wind damage always work.

Nara levels up here, for 2 Str, 1 Agi, 2 Vit, 3 Int, 3 Luc, 4 HP, 3 MP, and the NumbOff spell, curing the Numb status from all allies for only 2 MP. That's another one Cristo doesn't get.

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Vampdogs have 38 HP, 40 attack, 41 defense, and 28 agility; their attacks can put their target to sleep, and they can outright cast Sleep on top of that. They're slightly resistant to Blaze and Sap, but everything else we have now will work, which is good because we do not want to let these three live any longer than necessary. Nara's own Sleep comes especially handy here.

For the most part, the previous chapters had gotten us used to dealing with monsters that were either dangerous damage dealers, or had some other debilitating ability, but rarely monsters that were both. But we're definitely getting a taste of the combination now.

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Rogue Whispers have 40 HP, with 20 attack, 40 defense, and 1 agility. They have a chance to start the fight confused, and they have a very high chance to waste their turn ("Rogue Whisper is flustered!"), so running into so many of them at once isn't as bad as it first seems. However, they will rarely use a flip-out attack instead, where they deal a butt-ton of damage to the entire party, then die of exhaustion. They're highly resistant to all magic damage except for a vulnerability to wind, but they're only slightly resistant to Sleep, and Expel will always work, if you have access to it (which we do not).

At this point our best bet is to have Nara open with Sleep, them spam Infernos. Wind spells tend to have low mininum damage though, and hitting a bunch of Whispers for about 9-20 each isn't the best. But we manage.

Mechanics aside, let's take a moment to think about these creatures in this context. We're going down in this mine, under a town full of the sick and dying, and we run into crowds of silent blue ghosts just milling about. It looks like they're more afraid of us than we are of them... but the moment we start thinking they're harmless and let our guard down, one of them goes berserk, mauls us half to death, and disappears.

Man, that's the kind of stuff you'd expect to find in Lordran. Things in Aktemto are effed all the way up.

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The Silver Tarot Cards are unique weapons that only Nara can equip. They're not all that great to equip though, as they only offer 21 attack power, compared to the +33 Morning Star she's currently using. However, if she uses them in battle...

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...she draws a random card from the deck, causing a random magical effect!

There are nine cards in all, most being quite helpful, and a few... not so much.

-The Card of Justice casts Expel on all enemies.
-The Card of the Moon casts Surround on all enemies.
-The Card of the Stars doubles the amount of gold and experience earned after the battle.
-The Card of Strength, as we've just seen, casts Bikill on a random ally, doubling their inflicted physical damage until the end of the fight.
-The Card of the Sun restores the entire party's HP to maximum.
-The Card of Evil casts StopSpell on a random ally.
-The Card of the Tower casts Zap on all allies, inflicting a high amount of lightning damage.
-The Card of Perfection casts Defeat on the party, which is a group-targeting instant death effect.
-The Card of the Terminator instantly replaces the enemy party with a Necrodain, a high-level, extremely dangerous skeletal monster. (Fortunately, it only appears if all the other cards are drawn in a single battle.)

The odds are weighted towards the beneficial effects (it's definitely not equal odds of each card), but you're still drawing cards at your own peril! Later versions of the game allow Nara to read the cards outside of combat for a bit of flavor text, but if we try to do this here, nothing happens.

Aaaanyway, Mara levels up after this battle, for 1 Str, 2 Agi, 3 Vit, 4 Int, 2 Luc, 7 HP (!), 5 MP, and the Bang spell. For 5 MP, Bang deals explosive damage to all enemies on the screen regardless of grouping, and it's about as powerful as Firebal. Just as Firebal and Blaze roll against their own monster resistance stat, Bang-type spells also have their specific resistance.

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Baby Salamands have 40 HP, 42 attack, 36 defense, 27 agility, and come with the ability to "emit a fireball", which is the same low-grade group-targeting fire damage attack we saw all the way back on Saro's Shadow. Considering how two of our party members have low HP, this is pretty spooky to deal with. They're highly resistant to Blaze and Firebal, but not at all to explosion and wind damage, or to Sleep and Sap.

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Garcoil Roosters have 52 HP, 47 attack, 40 defense and 26 agility, but no special abilities, which is a relief considering those stats. They're only slightly resistant to Sleep and wind, no biggie.

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Welp, Nara's out of juice, and we're getting pummeled besides. Time to call it a run; Mara casts Outside for us.

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Unlike the cave west of Kievs, Aktemto Mine isn't only hard when your entire party is squishy. Orin's tough, but he'd get obliterated on his own and we have to rely on spells to get through fights without taking disaster-grade damage.

While we're at it, let's use the Lamp of Darkness and see if the town has anything new going on at night.

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If we didn't already have enough clues about how messed up Aktemto is, we can't save at night because the House of Healing attendant is too sick.

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Image: They're... enraged by their suffering. They can't find peace, it hurts too much. Oh, lights above, I wish we could do something.
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Image: No, not always. Not even usually. This is not normal. Maybe it's too many people at once. Maybe there's just something about this town. I don't know.
Image: Either way, we really shouldn't be spending any more time here than we have to. Let's get going.
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Vileplants have 37 HP, 39 attack, 40 defense, and 15 agility, with the ability to cast StopSpell. On their own they're among the least dangerous critters here, but we definitely don't want to have our magic taken away if we have to fight other monsters at the same time. They're immune to Sleep and slightly resistant to wind and Sap, but vulnerable to all flavors of fire/explosion damage. They're also only slightly resistant to the Sphere of Silence's effect, so if they show up in numbers, you can turn the tables on them.

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Nara levels up as we get out of the underground graveyard, for 2 Str, 1 Agi, 2 Vit, 2 Int, 4 Luc, 4 HP, and 3 MP. Gotta love those caster levels.

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Hoooooly crap, the difficulty curve has officially Stopped Messing Around. Time to spam Bang and hope for the best!

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Gah, look at those "ST" marks on our status window. We all got StopSpelled on the first turn. Better bail out.

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Whew, we manage a narrow escape on our first try. Goodness. There's more to explore on this floor, but we'll probably have to teleport outside before long, so let's just keep going down.

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Image: By any chance, do you guys know where we could find any gunpowder?
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So, Aktemto Mine. Not exactly the longest or most complicated dungeon, but man, that's some cranked-up combat challenge right there. Our early times with Orin might have given us a false sense of superiority there, so it still pays to be careful.

Before we go make use of our new explosives, we drop by Haville's armor shop.

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As hard as the mine was, it sure made us a ton of money. Nara finally gets her Half-Plate, handing the Fur Coat down to Mara. Heck, this leaves us enough money to buy a Poison Needle, if we sell our Venomous Dagger. Mara has more than enough MP to use Blaze as a regular attack when she has to at this point, so the loss of damage is more than compensated by the chance of instant death.

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Mara's nearly as tough as Orin by now (HP notwithstanding), which is excellent news.

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Image: No, not a chance. It's just, it feels weird to know that after all this, we're going to see Balzack again today.
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Three Brahmirds attack us on the way to Keeleon.

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I don't think the game lets you find this button until you've actually seen the Counsel use it.

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Some kind of lion creature suddenly appears on the smaller throne in the back.

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So, Balzack and Keeleon.

Balzack comes in at 240 HP, with 80 attack, 43 defense, and 22 agility. He's strong, but none of these numbers are too far out of the ordinary; by comparison, Saro's Shadow had a bit more HP, but only fifty-something attack power. However, besides his normal attack, he can emit a fireball, as well as cast Firebal and... Healall. In an unpleasant callback to Hargon and Malroth, he can in fact restore all his HP anytime he likes. Of course, this is not such a big deal if you come in prepared, as he is completely vulnerable to StopSpell effects, including the Sphere of Silence. Once his spells are gone, Nara can undo any harm he does. In fact, we ran into tougher fights in Aktemto's lower levels.

Other than that, Balzack is immune to Sleep, very resistant to wind, and slightly resistant to Sap and all other magic damage. Sap is worth a shot as we've seen, and it'll make Orin more than capable of pounding him into paste within a few turns on his own.

Keeleon, though! Oh boy. He has 999 HP, 170 attack, 120 defense, and 30 agility. He gets two actions every round, he can "emit a scorching gas" (which is the mid-grade fire breath effect), as well as cast Firebane (the upgraded version of Firebal) and Healall. I'm not sure of the exact mechanic here, but apparently he also regenerates an obscene amount of HP every turn. He's immune to all disabling magic and debuffs, highly resistant to Bang and Firebal, and slightly resistant to all other magic damage.

As you may have guessed, this is not a fight you can win. No matter how prepared you may be, Orin, Nara and Mara are no match for Keeleon's monstrous strength. Even if you hack the game to make the fight winnable, the game just makes you fight him again and again until you lose.

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Image: ...right. Thank you, sir. We will.

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The Aktemto music starts playing.

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There are no more monsters on the overworld, and even the Lamp of Darkness won't make the sun set. We're just about done here.

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It's a good thing Taloon's light-hearted chapter came in after the end of Alena's, because the sisters' revenge quest sure turns into a tragic failure cascade right quick. Not only did we not overthrow Balzac's evil regime, but we also lost a party member, and we're forced to flee the country. As far as the story goes, we're worse off than we were when we started.

It's cleverly done though, because the plot gets there without making it seem that Nara and Mara are weak. They are in fact strong enough to defeat Balzack, and their plan was going to work. It only started to fail when they unwittingly intersected with the interests of one of Necrosaro's underlings, a demonic entity so crushingly powerful than normal folk clearly have no chance to defeat it. The sisters could easily overcome one man's greed and lust for power, but there are more profound evils at work than they could imagine.

Mechanics-wise, there's also something smart going on. In a traditional RPG structure, Balzack would have been the boss of the Aktemto mines. Separating the boss from the dungeon allows for a different type of difficulty tuning, in that the dungeon monsters are allowed to be harder, and you can adjust the strength of the boss without having to worry about attrition from the dungeon trek. In a way it's a repeat of the Mirror of Ra quest with the Boss Troll in DW3, so even though the greater structure of the two games is fairly different, it's nice to see good ideas for specific segments carrying over. Of course it's not that having a typical dungeon boss is a bad thing, but variety has value!

Alright then, that'll do it for now. I think we're overdue for a bit of cheer, so let's see how Chapter 5 treats us, shall we?

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Re: It's raining protagonists: Let's play Dragon Warrior IV!

Postby Friday » Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:09 am

That's also the first scripted battle loss in a DQ game, isn't it?

RIP Orin.
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Re: It's raining protagonists: Let's play Dragon Warrior IV!

Postby François » Mon Dec 17, 2018 5:40 am

Ortega vs King Hydra comes close, but yeah, as far as battles where the player's party is involved go, I think that's the first. In JRPGs though, FF2 opens with a losing battle, and Phantasy Star 2 has a party member lose a duel and die, plus another battle where you either die and get a game over, or stay alive for a few rounds and get captured and sent to a prison satellite where the story continues. PS2 is a huge downer of a game plot-wise though, so it's not quite as much a study in shifting tones.

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Re: It's raining protagonists: Let's play Dragon Warrior IV!

Postby François » Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:15 am

Alright, so, I hate to do this, but the holiday stress is hitting me almost as hard as the sources of that stress, so I'm gonna take the next couple weeks off to catch my breath and make time-management a touch less harrowing. I guess I'm just going to be glad we're between chapters right now, so it could be worse. :3

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Re: It's raining protagonists: Let's play Dragon Warrior IV!

Postby Friday » Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:38 pm

take your time it's been great
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Re: It's raining protagonists: Let's play Dragon Warrior IV!

Postby François » Sun Jan 06, 2019 11:21 am

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At last, Francois. Later versions of the game get us to spend a few moments with him in short scenes at the start of every chapter, but here, we don't even get to see the character we got to name until now. I understand why they added the scenes, but I do think it's more an interesting change than an actual improvement. I'm quite fond of how we've only heard about him in vague rumors for all this time.

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As if to clear up any possible doubt, his class is "Hero". It's basically equivalent to DW3's Hero class, with great combat stats, excellent equipment selection, and a good spread of all types of spells. However, where the DW3 Hero has no magic until they level up and learn Blaze and Heal, the DW4 Hero starts out knowing Expel, which none of the other spellcasters we've met so far ever learn.

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Aaaanyway, we've got a Lunch to deliver.

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Image: You look hungry. I'll teach you after lunch.
Image: Sure, I'll drop by then.

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There's actually the in-battle sound effect for damage being taken playing here.

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Image: Ha, Ha, Ha! Francois, you must always guard yourself. Mastery of swordsmanship is harder than it appears. Understand?
Image: Heh, I'll get you next time I see you carrying food around, we'll see how it goes!

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If we had happened to eat the Lunch ourselves...

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...but we wouldn't do that, right?

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It looks like we might be able to find a hidden passage in the south wall here, but the one accessible tile doesn't go anywhere.

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Suddenly, the innkeep rushes into our house.

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The standard battle music starts playing. This is not a drill.

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We're taken through a secret passage in the second tile from the east.

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We can distinctly hear combat sounds outside, spells being cast, melee attacks being made, and the ground is shaking. Whatever exactly might be going on topside, the villagers sure aren't giving it up easy.

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Clamors of battle again... then nothing. Silence. Absolute silence.

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Nothing else happens. We have control again.



This is a video of the entire sequence, from returning home for lunch until this point. As limited as the series' toolbox is when it comes to cutscenes, it's hard to imagine doing better with it.

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We have a new overworld theme; as far as I'm concerned, it's best one. Though it would be better to get it under brighter circumstances.

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Image: His quest was doomed from the start. He would not have found this village.
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Image: Yeah, he definitely sold them out, there's no way that's a coincidence.
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Image: Ah, okay then. Sorry again. I didn't mean to disturb you.

At the moment we turn to leave...

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We don't get specific directions to the castle, but it's so close as to be hard to miss.

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Do you remember that other castle to the northeast? As the crow flies, the Hero's village is even closer to Burland than Izmit was. How's that for dramatic irony?

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We can equip any of these, but that's a lotta money.

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I could understand wanting to hang on to the Feather Hat for sentimental reasons... but 210 gold is a fortune right now and inventory space is always dear. It has to go.

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This leaves us with enough money to buy a Scale Shield, which is a bigger upgrade than going from Leather Armor to Chain Mail would be. Sold!

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Nothing unexpected here.

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Image: Your name is Francois? A good name!

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From our hero's point of view, the whole thing is a bit iffy, but as players, we know exactly who those sisters are and of course we want to go to Endor right away!

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Facing three Monjars at once would have been tricky even for Nara and Mara in their early travels; it's tough to be alone at level 1! This time though, Francois two-shots two of them, and the third runs away. Buying that Scale Shield paid off too, as they only deal 1 damage per hit.

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Yyyup, we get put to sleep and killed in four hits. Maybe we ought to save that general direction for later!

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That cost us 55 gold. Not good! Let's just spend the day fighting around the castle for now, then.

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If we let that old man make his way to the pond in the east...

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Image: Ah, yeah, I've met him. I guess that explains why he's so bitter.

The game doesn't ever make it any more obvious than this, so I'll put it out there for the form: the woodsman who let us take his Leather Armor is clearly our hero's actual grandfather. You only get this bit of info if you wait for this old man to walk across town at night though, so it's pretty cleverly obfuscated!

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...the dog immediately runs to us and barks as we come in. It's almost like we have a familiar scent or something!

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And our grandfather lets us stay for free. It's never made explicit whether he knows we're related... but I suspect he does. He's probably still mad that his son was seduced by some mysterious girl and was likely punished for his forbidden love.

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And of course we can hazard a guess as to who might be buried in the back...

Anyway, back to combat training!

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More early Chapter 2 critters, no problem. Francois gets to level 2 here, for 2 Str, 1 Agi, 2 Vit, 1 Int, 5 HP, and 3 MP. I don't know if that'd be enough to reach Endor, but let's drop a save and give it a shot.

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Endor ends up being a very pivotal location for this entire set of adventures. Ragnar went there for nothing, Alena went there for glory, Taloon went there for wealth, and Mara and Nara went there for safety. What will our hero find this time around?

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The price of coins has fallen to 20 gold (twice as much as the price for Alena, and a tenth of the price for Taloon), and it will remain there for the rest of the game. But we have no money to spare for gambling right now!

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Image: A fortune is like moonlight in the darkness. If you change your mind, come see me.
Image: Well... okay, I came all this way. Here.
Image: Alright, I'll tell your fortune. I see seven lights around you. They are small now, but they will soon grow... what?
Image: Hmm? What's wrong?
Image: You are the Hero!
Image: I... Um... Maybe don't say it quite so loud, please!
Image: I've been searching for you, the one with the untapped power to defeat the evil ones.
Image: Well if you want to finish me off, I won't give it up easy!
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Image: Times are tough for everyone. My sister and I... we've lost a good friend recently. Monsters were involved.
Image: Oh. You have my sympathies.

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Image: That... doesn't sound good.
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So here we have the beginning one of Dragon Warrior IV's greatest triumphs... as well as its most terrible downfall.

On the up side, we get to recruit characters with a place in a world, with a piece of backstory we're familiar with. We know who Mara and Nara are. We know where they're coming from. And earning their company right now lets us imagine that we might yet meet Ragnar, Alena, Cristo, Brey and Taloon later on. From the start of the series, our party members only had a personality if we chose to give them one. For all the flexibility of DW3's party system, only the Hero matters to the in-game plot in any way. The chapter-based narrative structure begins to shine and come together; we've started from level 1 five times for a reason, and it is made clear.

On the down side... well... We've had enough tragedy for one episode, I think. Let's leave that for next time!

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Re: It's raining protagonists: Let's play Dragon Warrior IV!

Postby Friday » Sun Jan 06, 2019 1:00 pm

the tragedy is Alena doesn't turn out to be the main character
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