Final fucking fantasy 22 3/4

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Re: Final fucking fantasy 22 3/4

Postby sei » Wed Dec 28, 2016 9:26 pm

malikial wrote:I believe I said that it was bad as fuck.
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Re: Final fucking fantasy 22 3/4

Postby TA » Wed Dec 28, 2016 9:27 pm

I think you're supposed to watch the prequel movie first, not really pause the game and then watch the movie and then unpause the game, but ... still, yeah. It's nice to have affiliated media in a larger universe but it's not great for the plot of the main product to rely on that media to make sense.
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Re: Final fucking fantasy 22 3/4

Postby sei » Wed Dec 28, 2016 9:29 pm

People are tired of games. They want brands. Japan provides experiences. No more paying box price. Now movies, mobile game x-promotions.
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Re: Final fucking fantasy 22 3/4

Postby pacobird » Wed Dec 28, 2016 11:00 pm

the worst part is that even though you realize after altissia that the rest of the game's just going to be a complete mess, they get your hopes up with a brilliantly excruciating chapter 10
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Re: Final fucking fantasy 22 3/4

Postby sei » Wed Dec 28, 2016 11:05 pm

Story will get patched. FFXV had only been in development for 10 years. Games take time to mature. Can't all be successful like Starbound.
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Re: Final fucking fantasy 22 3/4

Postby Brentai » Thu Dec 29, 2016 2:05 am

As long as you keep the "FF15 has been in development for 10 years" fact firmly in mind the whole exercise is interesting from a how-do-you-make-something-mostly-complete-out-of-this aspect.

Did you notice the one part of the game where there was supposed to be a rad as fuck boss but they only got as far as modeling and not rigging the rad as fuck boss so they had you go and take a look at how rad as fuck the boss's model is and everybody comments on how rad as fuck the model looks and then you get a cutscene explaining why you don't need to actually fight the rad as fuck boss and then you just fuck off?

Not gonna lie, I love stuff like that. It's like the best kind of soup, the "if you've got it, just toss it in the pot" kind.

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Re: Final fucking fantasy 22 3/4

Postby sei » Thu Dec 29, 2016 3:12 am

Brentai wrote:Did you notice the one part of the game where there was supposed to be a rad as fuck boss but they only got as far as modeling and not rigging the rad as fuck boss so they had you go and take a look at how rad as fuck the boss's model is and everybody comments on how rad as fuck the model looks and then you get a cutscene explaining why you don't need to actually fight the rad as fuck boss and then you just fuck off?
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Re: Final fucking fantasy 22 3/4

Postby malikial » Thu Dec 29, 2016 4:07 am

TA wrote:I think you're supposed to watch the prequel movie first, not really pause the game and then watch the movie and then unpause the game, but ... still, yeah. It's nice to have affiliated media in a larger universe but it's not great for the plot of the main product to rely on that media to make sense.


The movie isn't really a prequel, it's what happens at the end of chapter one while Noctis and Dem Boys are away. The movie is the 'problem' happening to the city. I'm sorry I don't want to give spoilers so I'm being vague but it's not really a prequel so much as a 90 minute cutscene between chapter 1 and 2 in FFXV.

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Re: Final fucking fantasy 22 3/4

Postby Defenestration » Thu Dec 29, 2016 5:33 am

Kingsglaive is best watched before the game. There's even a post credits segueway that clearly happens only a few minutes before where the game literally starts.

sei wrote:Chekov's bird was a disappointment.

You know you totally kill that gryphon, right? It's just an endgame boss.
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Re: Final fucking fantasy 22 3/4

Postby Thad » Thu Dec 29, 2016 9:58 am

TA wrote:I think you're supposed to watch the prequel movie first, not really pause the game and then watch the movie and then unpause the game, but ... still, yeah. It's nice to have affiliated media in a larger universe but it's not great for the plot of the main product to rely on that media to make sense.


Isn't that exactly what happened to Matrix 3?

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Re: Final fucking fantasy 22 3/4

Postby beatbandito » Thu Dec 29, 2016 11:45 am

Drawing magic and a main character you want VR waifu technology for just so you can recreate and slap them right in the fucking face. Interesting take-aways from FF8.
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Re: Final fucking fantasy 22 3/4

Postby Defenestration » Mon Jan 02, 2017 5:36 am

Finished the game. Spoiler free thoughts:

Ultimately, Kingsglaive was not really necessary, but if you're going to watch it watch it before playing the game like I did. There's even a post-credits sequence that flows into the game itself perfectly. Kingsglaive *did* flesh out and give more context to what was going on in the game's climax, and frankly its a pretty good watch even if you don't really fully understand what's going on without getting context from the game later. However, the free Brotherhood anime on Youtube is certainly not needed for anything in terms of context other than additional character background, but I recommend it higher than Kingsglaive if your time is limited (And if your time is limited why are you getting a JRPG...?) You will love the main cast dearly, and it's worth it. Trust me.

FFXV had a very interesting problem, one that I didn't think was possible to be a problem before playing this. The four main characters are *too* well written, depicted, voice acted, and fleshed out. The banter between the four is top notch and consistently amazing, and the insights you get into their characters the longer you play is fantastic. But, that leaves the problem of anyone else in the game looking like a cardboard standee.

Even the next most important protagonist to the four, Lunafreya, seems flat by no fault of the voice actress or writing. Well, maybe the writing. The plot is structured almost against her in this respect, as she is always at a distance on a pedestal as an eventual goal. Cutscenes depict her as kind, patient, and strong willed and really, that's all you get. Does she wear anything other than white? How does she feel about vegetables? Did she struggle with her role as the Oracle as a child like Noctis did with his place in destiny, or did she take to it naturally? Minor characters like Cindy and Iris are even worse. It might seem like nitpicking, but with how lovable and deep the four chocobros are, it really is a huge contrast to me.

How they were saying they were going to patch in adjusted and additional story content and plot into the last chapters makes me feel bad for not waiting on this game a bit more; I was able to follow it, but some things are rather abrupt.

The setpieces in this game are eyecandy of visual design and framing the likes I've never seen in games; the fights with Leviathan and Ardyn specifically. Like, they could have easily made either one of those just a cutscene and most people would have been fine with it, but no. They went all the fucking way out. In nearly any scripted boss battle the attention given to the background is obscene. I know it's par for the course with Square in general and FF games in particular, but the graphical fidelity they cranked out of this game with standard PS4 hardware is *obscene.*

There were a lot of moments where Square used mechanical tricks to reinforce storytelling in flat out innovative ways that I would have never expected from this company, much less this game with it's legendarily tortured development cycle.

Unsuprisingly for anything headed by Shimomura, the soundtrack is *fantastic.* The boss battle theme is grandiose and tense, the atmospheric tracks are great, and putting "Stand By Me" as the game theme was surprising for Final Fantasy and still completely appropriate.

It's a good ride. For everything I knew about its development, I never for a moment expected the game to be good, much less floor me like it did. I am not entirely sure that DOOM is my game of the year anymore, and DOOM was really, really fucking good.
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Re: Final fucking fantasy 22 3/4

Postby Defenestration » Mon Jan 02, 2017 8:26 am

beatbandito wrote:Drawing magic and a main character you want VR waifu technology for just so you can recreate and slap them right in the fucking face. Interesting take-aways from FF8.


I don't think this is really fair on the magic count. First I think the semi-rarity is well worth it, as magic is far, far more powerful here than in most FF titles, 8 included. It's the nuclear option in a fight as you have to take friendly fire into account but more often than not will completely annihilate any targets if used correctly. Second, the secondary effects are *stupidly* powerful. Like, did you try using Expericast spells? It's insane! INSANE! Don't bother wasting the AP on "Get XP from Fishing/Driving/chocobo riding/etc." You'll be swimming in XP if you Expericast alot.

Also, you didn't like Noctis? :( I mean, he's prone to ennui but I think comparisons with Squall are completely unfair. He's certainly not cold or taciturn.
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