Undertale

[Esperath]

[Esperath]

23:48 <Esperath>: haha hafu is playing undertale
23:49 <Friday>: haha
23:50 <Friday>: hafu is the top arena player yes?
23:50 <Friday>: by stats
23:50 <Esperath>: dunno if she is anymore
23:50 <Esperath>: I think merps is
23:51 <Esperath>: but yeah hafu the arena player
23:58 <Esperath>: she got stuck
23:58 <Esperath>: on the first fall puzzle
23:58 <Esperath>: and is now stuck
23:58 <Esperath>: on the second fall puzzle
23:58 <Esperath>: oh my god
23:59 <Friday>: loooooooool
00:00 <Esperath>: "Am I missing something?"
00:01 <Friday>: lol
00:01 <Esperath>: aaaand
00:01 <Esperath>: she just killed her first monster
00:03 <Esperath>: oh my god
00:03 <Esperath>: she failed the fall puzzle SO HARD
00:03 <Esperath>: it just solved it for her
00:03 <Esperath>: I didn't even realize that was possible
00:03 <Friday>: yep
00:04 <Friday>: what fall puzzle remind me
00:04 <Esperath>: the "don't walk on the leaves"
00:04 <Esperath>: puzzle
00:04 <Esperath>: she fell so many times
00:04 <Friday>: oh yeah uh
00:04 <Esperath>: it just went "doot do odoo dooo"
00:04 <Friday>: thats pretty ez mode
00:04 <Esperath>: and solved it for her
00:05 <Esperath>: the first fall puzzle was just
00:05 <Esperath>: the one where you fall
00:05 <Esperath>: and walk right
00:05 <Esperath>: she kept going back and walking on the cracked floor
00:08 <Esperath>: aaand
00:08 <Esperath>: she read the sign about spider bake sale
00:08 <Esperath>: and then missed spider bake sale.
00:08 <Esperath>: she must be some sort of savant
00:08 <Esperath>: she then talks to the frog
00:09 <Esperath>: that says "you must know by now that you can spare creatures with yellow names"
00:09 <Esperath>: and then fights the next monster
00:09 <Esperath>: and doesn't figure it out
00:09 <Esperath>: and kills the monster
00:09 <Esperath>: she also missed the monster candy
00:09 <Friday>: yeah i've come to realize something
00:09 <Esperath>: if I hadn't watched before
00:10 <Esperath>: I'd think she was just functionally retarded
00:10 <Friday>: romo taught me, really
00:10 <Friday>: because i consider romo a pretty smart guy
00:10 <Friday>: like, as people go
00:10 <Friday>: anyway like
00:10 <Friday>: people are really fucking bad at videogames
00:10 <Esperath>: except
00:10 <Esperath>: she like
00:10 <Friday>: and it has nothing to do with how smart they are
00:10 <Esperath>: won blizzcon in wow PVP
00:10 <Esperath>: like
00:10 <Esperath>: what the fuck
00:10 <Friday>: dunno
00:10 <Esperath>: was the winningest HS arena player
00:11 <Friday>: it doesn't make any sense
00:11 <Esperath>: it's like less than zero skill transfer
00:11 <Friday>: haha
00:11 <Esperath>: her skill in other games makes it impossible for her to play RPGs
00:11 <Esperath>: like
00:11 <Esperath>: she just doesn't process anything she reads
00:11 <Esperath>: she
00:11 <Esperath>: accidentally stumbled on the spider bake sale
00:11 <Esperath>: because she was about to die
00:11 <Esperath>: with no monster candy
00:11 <Friday>: lol
00:11 <Esperath>: and chat told her that save points restore HP
00:11 <Esperath>: so she forgets which way save point is
00:12 <Esperath>: and walks into bake sale
00:12 <Friday>: watching my irl friends play windseal was extremely illuminating
00:12 <Friday>: romo too
00:12 <Friday>: when a game is new to a person
00:12 <Friday>: you have to literally hold them by the fucking hand and make sure they cannot possibly die no matter how shit they are
00:12 <Friday>: this doesn't apply to everyone
00:12 <Esperath>: well that's the thing
00:13 <Esperath>: undertale is definitely gonna cause her to murder
00:13 <Esperath>: because she just gives up too fast
00:13 <Friday>: yeah
00:13 <Esperath>: she just got to vegetoid
00:13 <Esperath>: and was like uhh am I supposed to eat the greens
00:13 <Esperath>: >ATTACK
00:13 <Esperath>: good job hafu
00:13 <Friday>: hahaha
00:13 <Esperath>: she just ate vegetoid
00:13 <Esperath>: nom nom nom
00:14 <Friday>: i mean
00:14 <Esperath>: I love watching people play undertale
00:14 <Esperath>: but
00:14 <Esperath>: I've never seen anyone play this badly
00:14 <Esperath>: it's like
00:14 <Esperath>: the words just come in one ear and out the other
00:14 <Esperath>: she still doesn't appear to realize the yellow name thing
00:14 <Esperath>: because
00:14 <Esperath>: it didn't process
00:15 <Esperath>: she didn't pick on loox
00:15 <Friday>: reading comprehension is actually hard for some people
00:15 <Esperath>: and she goes "what the fuck why does it keep attacking me, stupid fucker"
00:15 <Friday>: maybe she's got that
00:15 <Esperath>: ...
00:15 <Esperath>: it only took her four times
00:15 <Esperath>: to find the switch
00:15 <Esperath>: that you can see from any room
00:15 <Esperath>: the one where there are six holes
00:15 <Esperath>: one with napstablook
00:15 <Esperath>: one with ribbon
00:15 <Esperath>: two with vegetoids
00:15 <Esperath>: one empty
00:15 <Esperath>: one switch
00:15 <Esperath>: she just like
00:16 <Esperath>: kept falling randomly
00:16 <Esperath>: fell into the same hole twice
00:16 <Friday>: haha
00:16 <Esperath>: now she's in the rotation room
00:16 <Esperath>: let's see if she figures this one out
00:16 <Esperath>: or it gives it to her too
00:17 <Esperath>: "I'm not very good at this game"
00:17 <Esperath>: no shit
00:18 <Esperath>: fighting a moldsmal
00:18 <Esperath>: even though
00:18 <Esperath>: it starts yellow
00:18 <Esperath>: because she can't figure it out
00:18 <Esperath>: she went like
00:18 <Esperath>: flirt imitate flirt
00:18 <Esperath>: what the fuck
00:18 <Esperath>: attack
00:18 <Esperath>: because it didn't give her a "Froggit is reluctant to fight you" message
00:19 <Esperath>: ...
00:19 <Esperath>: she just pressed the same red switch
00:19 <Esperath>: again
00:19 <Esperath>: aaand
00:19 <Esperath>: it gave it to her
00:20 <Esperath>: lik
00:20 <Esperath>: she is going to lose to the word search somehow
00:20 <Esperath>: "HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO SOLVE THIS IT'S NOT GIVING ME A CURSOR"
00:21 <Esperath>: and of course
00:21 <Esperath>: since the game solved it for her
00:21 <Esperath>: she didn't figure it out later
00:21 <Esperath>: so she went behind a pillar
00:21 <Esperath>: and hit the wrong switch

[zaratustra]

Frocto used to go straight down corridors and then forget there were side exits in the first place

some people just lack backtracking reflex i think

[Spram]

Ok so I bought the game and played so far for 2 hours and it's good. It better be because it cost me $10.

[Friday]

Frocto doesn't count because he's some sort of fucking savant that will perfectly discover every single possible bug in a videogame, so we cannot question his methods.

How did basically one human make this?

Toby is actually shitty dog irl, which explains everything.

[Esperath]

Endogeny

[Esperath]

totally worth it

[Spram]

Nice game. It's fun but I don't see what makes it game of the decade. I killed a certain person in my first playtru (SHE WAS HOLDING ME HOSTAGE, I DONT GET STOCKHOLMS) and I'm trying not to kill anyone now to get a different ending I guess. I'm going to kill everyone else next time and see what happens... it seems I can't judge this game until I do.

I don't want to brag but this game reminded me of my own Blimpo Warrior if only it was more charming, better playing and actually finished.. at least in the "fights as random minigames" and "zany retro-RPG" way. Makes me wonder if I should have finished Blimpo, part of the reason I gave it up is because Cave Story came along and made independent games asspire to be more "profesional looking and playing" and I thought, I mean, I knew no one would play it. Here's a link to the game if anyone cares.. http://guio.us/spram/BW2.zip just don't expect it to be as charming and not crash all the time and has a stupid resolution (320x200? What was I thinking) and is not finished...

Of course maybe the reason I don't like the game as much as it's fans is that I've been dying inside for the last 12 or so years. But at least I don't feel like I wasted $10.

[Esperath]

see how you feel about it once you get the true pacifist ending, and I guess genocide too but the true pacifist ending really stopped that dead in its tracks for me.

[Spram]

see how you feel about it once you get the true pacifist ending, and I guess genocide too but the true pacifist ending really stopped that dead in its tracks for me.

I'm going for this one right now.

[Wheels]

I've said before that games have this issue where the primary emotional message of the entire medium is "fiero," "triumph," "fun." Sure, you have your survival horrors and your tearjerkers here and there, but they are not the majority by any means. This self-imposed limit on artistic range by most developers holds back the medium, I think.

I finished having a bad time a couple of days ago. I couldn't bear the thought of actually doing it myself, both with the argument the game makes after the true ending and the thought of working to destroy things that I came to adore. And the game still had the gall to punch me in the gut for watching a playthrough of it anyway, calling me out for still wanting to know what happens even as I acknowledge the actions are too despicable to commit myself.
On topic: http://tinyurl.com/SPOILERDOESNTWORKONLINKSSORRYR I *still* feel like the scum of the earth, and I'm so, so happy that a game with this kind of detail exists.

This game has destroyed me, given me belly laughs, shaken me to my core, and filled me with a kind of satisfied joy that few other things have. I love it.

But what I find frustrating... is how the hell do you convince people to play it? If I am trying to talk someone into playing it, I can't really discuss anything about why the game is so wonderful, or it would ruin it completely. Undertale is one of the most cleverly written and executed games I've experienced... and certainly the worst media I can think of period to be spoiled even in minor detail. You can't even play certain (and often the best) music from the game without it being a spoiler!

[pacobird]

"You know how in RPGs you go around and monsters attack you and you kill them to gain power that allows you to move forward, and the whole process has, over hundreds if not thousands of games, become rote for both players and designers?

What if somebody made a game about that?"

[Z%rø]

When someone tells me "hey you should play this game" I figure it's usually bullshit and I'll spoil myself on some things just so I can justify my stance of it being shit and not wanting to play it. I didn't learn a whole lot going into Undertale, and I wish I hadn't spoiled myself on what I did.

Game of the year. Loved every second of it. I'm sad it's over. And because of what Flowey says when I boot up the game now, I can't convince myself to completely reset and start over. I binged the wiki on everything I didn't and couldn't do.

It has had the side effect of making me deeply consider the way I play RPGs, and severely lessen the enjoyment of shit like Fallout 4.

[Friday]

What Would Frisk Do

[Esperath]

[zaratustra]

[sei]

Fuck this game.

(1) Doesn't play well enough with controllers. This is an RPG. I should be able to hang out in bed or on the couch and not need to be at KB and mouse, especially considering how simple the game is.
(2) Doesn't have convenient in-game options for volume / window sizing. You eventually are told to hit F4, but fuck.
(3) STUPID FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT WILL NOT OBEY THE WINDOWS VOLUME MIXER
(2+3) GUESS WHAT YOU CAN'T HEAR YOUR BUDDIES ON VOICE CHAT WHILE TRYING TO PLAY

As you can guess, IT SURE WAS FUN TRYING TO EXPERIENCE THIS GAME IN BIG PICTURE MODE.

[Mongrel]

(3) You might want to see that guy's edit. He has kind of a unique situation. Perhaps his solution will be helpful for you too.

[Blossom]

As for 1, uh, yes it absolutely does? I played the whole game on my controller.

[Mongrel]

I guess not well enough for Sei?

That's not meant to be dismissive. I have no idea what Sei's controller problem might have been.