Oh those pet peeves

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Re: Oh those pet peeves

Postby Brentai » Sat Dec 22, 2018 2:56 pm

Without the intended irony though.
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Re: Oh those pet peeves

Postby Mongrel » Sat Dec 22, 2018 3:01 pm

Brentai wrote:Without the intended irony though.

More like a wearied exhaustion, really.
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Re: Oh those pet peeves

Postby Thad » Sat Dec 22, 2018 3:37 pm

Brentai wrote:Without the intended irony though.

I'd say it's usually used ironically, though also typically used metaphorically, not as a literal reference to a software behavior. I see it a lot in social critiques -- criticisms of capitalism, surveillance, surveillance capitalism, etc. It's usually used to signify "Hey, this bad thing people are doing that you're describing as if it were an unfortunate and unforeseen side effect? It's not. It's the whole point."

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Re: Oh those pet peeves

Postby Brentai » Sat Dec 22, 2018 5:51 pm

Yeah but it USED to be a tongue-in-cheek way of saying "This behavior is unintended, but it's not critical enough to fix, so deal with it."

I really miss thinking "Never attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence" isn't dangerously naive.
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Re: Oh those pet peeves

Postby Thad » Sun Dec 23, 2018 12:35 pm

Brentai wrote:Yeah but it USED to be a tongue-in-cheek way of saying "This behavior is unintended, but it's not critical enough to fix, so deal with it."


Right. It used to be a programmer joke; now it's an everybody joke.

I really miss thinking "Never attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence" isn't dangerously naive.


It depends. I saw somebody in the Techdirt comments the other day suggest that the real reason Verizon bought Yahoo was so that it could get blackmail material on people with Tumblr accounts. (In addition to everything else that is very dumb about this conspiracy theory, if the entire point of owning Tumblr is to monitor users' sexual kinks, why would they ban porn on it?)

The point of Hanlon's Razor is that people shouldn't posit elaborate "crazy like a fox" conspiracy theories when somebody does something that appears to be foolish. That's still the case in the Age of Trump, even with the overabundance of malice we're now dealing with. There's a tendency for Trump's supporters (and even some of his opponents) to suggest that when he does something stupid, he's actually doing something smart while tricking everyone into thinking it's something stupid. "3D chess!" But no, he's just stupid. There's no plan; he's just reacting without thinking. That's really what Hanlon's Razor means, though perhaps "malice" isn't the best word for it; the point is that you shouldn't ascribe deeper motivations than those in evidence.

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Re: Oh those pet peeves

Postby mharr » Sun Dec 23, 2018 1:36 pm

The important point is that malice and stupidity aren't in opposition. The stupid are often horrifically malicious, it's just that they're not very good at it.

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Re: Oh those pet peeves

Postby Niku » Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:18 pm

I have 1300/1302 spirits in Smash Ultimate because the other two spirits are tied to save game data from the two versions of Pokemon Let's Go.

just don't count them in the total nintendo

just give me this
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Re: Oh those pet peeves

Postby Grath » Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:28 pm

Niku wrote:I have 1300/1302 spirits in Smash Ultimate because the other two spirits are tied to save game data from the two versions of Pokemon Let's Go.

just don't count them in the total nintendo

just give me this

I was surprised how much I enjoyed Pokemon Let's Go despite the fairly-radical departures from the core traditional format.

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Re: Oh those pet peeves

Postby mharr » Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:24 pm

When I'm on the far end of a retractable leash, desperately digging in with my whole body to reel in our big, dumb, cartoonishly enthusiastic cargo sled dog who desperately wants to climb onto your head and clean your eardrums, could y'all maybe slow down for a second, or divert around us a bit? Continuing to walk straight at us faster than I can haul in the cable really isn't helping anyone, unless your goal is litigation trolling.

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Re: Oh those pet peeves

Postby Mongrel » Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:27 pm

What if I want a big, cartoonishly enthusiastic cargo sled dog to climb onto my head and clean my eardrums?

Also, now you need to post dogpics in the pet thread.
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Re: Oh those pet peeves

Postby mharr » Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:43 pm

In those circumstances you probably already know her by name, she'll escape and run off with you, and I'll have to pick her up from the pub in fifteen minutes. There's a pets thread?

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Re: Oh those pet peeves

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Re: Oh those pet peeves

Postby beatbandito » Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:25 pm

Barely a peeve, but if someone starts a story (of theirs) you've already heard, do you interrupt with the ending to show you pay attention to what they say, or just let them tell it again because you don't want to call them out?
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Re: Oh those pet peeves

Postby nosimpleway » Thu Jan 31, 2019 7:08 pm

"Oh, I remember this" is the best response I've found, it's certainly nicer than "You told me that already".

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Re: Oh those pet peeves

Postby beatbandito » Thu Jan 31, 2019 7:40 pm

oh whoa, those are both way better than "let's expidite this, ya musty bitch"
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Re: Oh those pet peeves

Postby Mongrel » Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:38 pm

There was an older guy at the last place I worked. Good friend of mine now and the only one from there who I really stay in regular contact with.

He's severely prone to telling stories repeatedly and sometimes if they're the better ones I let him go on, other times I remind him he's told that (I repeat stories myself, so we both know how that goes).

His best one along these lines is where this goes meta. First he starts telling a story he's done before, and then if you mention that it's a re-run, there's a good chance he'll reply with "That reminds me!..." and then he tells the story about a woman at work who - out of courtesy - would always listen to his stories and laugh at them as if they were brand new, no matter how many times he repeated them, and how this reached such a point of silliness that both of them and several other employees started lampshading the whole thing.
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Re: Oh those pet peeves

Postby Mongrel » Mon Apr 08, 2019 2:34 am

Okay Alphabet, I know it's gmail's birthday, you're happy I guess. Insofar as a corporate behemoth can be "happy".

But I think that after a fucking week you can stop fucking loading the birthday notification screen before allowing me into my inbox every single time I load gmail.
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Re: Oh those pet peeves

Postby Silversong » Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:13 am

Mongrel wrote:... started lampshading the whole thing.


I'm a little late, but what does that mean? I Urban Dictionary searched it and came up with a few sex acts and a few clothing malfunctions, none of which made sense in context. Lolitas also use "lampshade" as a clothing malfunction (when your petticoat is very full but not as long as your skirt, so there's a sharp edge where your skirt hangs flat at the bottom).

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Re: Oh those pet peeves

Postby Friday » Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:43 am

It's a movie/tv/book/other media trope, which basically says "the characters point out the plot hole to the audience and then it's just ignored."

Or, as Wiktionary defines it: "To intentionally call attention to the improbable, incongruent, or clichéd nature of an element or situation featured in a work of fiction within the work itself."

That's more the formal definition, though. To lampshade something is more like, well, just to point it out explicitly. Why this is called "hanging a lampshade" is beyond me.
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Re: Oh those pet peeves

Postby Thad » Mon Apr 08, 2019 10:10 am

It can be used to explicitly acknowledge an influence, too. Like Future Man throwing out a Back to the Future reference, or the scene in Shazam where they run through a toystore and there's a giant keyboard on the floor. That's lampshade hanging.

It can be a good-natured way to acknowledge "Yeah, we know we're doing that thing that was in that other thing that everybody saw" and making a self-aware joke out of it.

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