Inspirational tales of Glorious Unfettered Capitalism

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Re: Inspirational tales of Glorious Unfettered Capitalism

Postby Blossom » Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:44 pm

pacobird wrote:It's less about that (it's about 20 years old and the author leaves it as an implied endgame) than it is about explaining the legal status of water in the US and the ways in which various players operate within that framework. It's still relevant despite its age because the laws haven't changed. Real catastrophe was delayed because desalinization tech exceeded expectations, but that was just, well, a delay.

Here's an example of how the commodification of water would help conservation: mining uses a lot of water - about..15-20% of national consumption? - and it has to be fresh because obviously using salt water to cool your drills and flush the holes will destroy the equipment. Mining companies COULD use reclaimed water rather than potable, but since potable is free, there's no reason to pay even the nominal cost of buying into reclamation efforts, especially when you're talking about the amount of water we are here.


what is the realistic scenario in which quantifying corporate water usage as dollars instead of gallons actually changes any of that, though

people know that they're using a ton of water? okay?

they have to pay people for the water they're taking or polluting? we both know they don't and won't, what are you going to do, sue a corporation in the US, ask Standing Rock how well the courts are working for them
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Re: Inspirational tales of Glorious Unfettered Capitalism

Postby pacobird » Wed Dec 09, 2020 11:38 pm

read the second paragraph again

i guess i'm a little tired of hearing "there is no possibility of ameloriative reform within capitalism; the only solution is to overthrow it" from people who held a gun once and it was when their dad took them to the shooting range when they were 13 and they still have panic attacks about it
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Re: Inspirational tales of Glorious Unfettered Capitalism

Postby Büge » Wed Dec 09, 2020 11:39 pm

Mongrel wrote:Oh man, don't even ASK how much water the Steam-Assisted Drainage system used to strip-mine the Alberta oil sands uses.


See also: English-Wabigoon river system, mercury contamination in
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Postby Mongrel » Wed Dec 09, 2020 11:43 pm

River system? More like sludge pool now...
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Re: Inspirational tales of Glorious Unfettered Capitalism

Postby Thad » Wed Dec 09, 2020 11:54 pm

pacobird wrote:A better way to put it is that once Evil Megacorp Ltd. has the infrastructure in place to pump a million gallons of water, there's no good reason not to pump a hundred billion.

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Postby IGNORE ME » Thu Dec 10, 2020 5:52 am

pacobird wrote:i guess i'm a little tired of hearing "there is no possibility of ameloriative reform within capitalism; the only solution is to overthrow it" from people who held a gun once and it was when their dad took them to the shooting range when they were 13 and they still have panic attacks about it


Then don't.

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Postby nosimpleway » Thu Dec 10, 2020 12:54 pm

I bought some books at the thrift store yesterday, total came out to like $29.32.

Cashier asked me if I wanted to round up to an even $30.

I said sure, okay, but it has to come in the form of stock from my company and you can't just spend it however you want.

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Re: Inspirational tales of Glorious Unfettered Capitalism

Postby IGNORE ME » Thu Dec 10, 2020 1:56 pm

The assertion that living in a motel is equivalent to having a home is why I don't have confidence in these things.

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Re: Inspirational tales of Glorious Unfettered Capitalism

Postby Friday » Thu Dec 10, 2020 7:19 pm

I bought some books at the thrift store yesterday, total came out to like $29.32.

Cashier asked me if I wanted to round up to an even $30.

I said sure, okay, but it has to come in the form of stock from my company and you can't just spend it however you want.


This analogy is wrong

it'd be more like the total was 29.92
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Postby Mongrel » Thu Dec 17, 2020 10:59 pm

The irony of it being in this particular publication is not lost on me.

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Postby Friday » Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:06 am

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a human being will shut down without a brain or heart

bears do in fact shit in the woods
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Re: Inspirational tales of Glorious Unfettered Capitalism

Postby Friday » Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:07 am

To this day I don't understand how they sold everyone on "well, we have this money. And we want the poor to have more money. So we're going to give it to the rich" and everyone just nodded and said "that makes a lot of sense"
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Re: Inspirational tales of Glorious Unfettered Capitalism

Postby KingRoyal » Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:20 am

Turns out it was the rich selling that idea to other rich people.
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Re: Inspirational tales of Glorious Unfettered Capitalism

Postby Mongrel » Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:36 am

I don't think I've ever read that line as anything but a bullshit cover for "Well, we have this money. Fuck the poor, we want to keep it."

Like, the imagery of rich guys pissing down on everyone else is probably INTENTIONAL.
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Re: Inspirational tales of Glorious Unfettered Capitalism

Postby Friday » Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:49 am

Like, the imagery of rich guys pissing down on everyone else is probably INTENTIONAL.


"They're so arrogant that they can display their symbols openly. They trust that we're too asleep to see them."
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Re: Inspirational tales of Glorious Unfettered Capitalism

Postby Mongrel » Fri Dec 18, 2020 4:14 pm

Friday wrote:
Like, the imagery of rich guys pissing down on everyone else is probably INTENTIONAL.


"They're so arrogant that they can display their symbols openly. They trust that we're too asleep to see them."

I can't tell if this is from THEY LIVE, or a far less serious work.
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Re: Inspirational tales of Glorious Unfettered Capitalism

Postby Friday » Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:35 pm

It's a repeated refrain in the Qanon community.

So a far less serious work.
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Re: Inspirational tales of Glorious Unfettered Capitalism

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