Trump Leaving Office Poll (Part 2)

Leaving Office

1. Trump will never concede and will be escorted/thrown out, a humiliating end that he will actually allow to happen
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41%
2. Trump will concede, chuckle, say "You got me fair and square", a humiliating end that he will actually allow to happen
0
No votes
3. other
13
59%
 
Total votes: 22
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Re: Trump Leaving Office Poll (Part 2)

Postby Thad » Tue Sep 06, 2022 2:58 pm

The Riddler wrote:It's hard to argue with

Why would you argue with it? It's a signal that the person sharing it doesn't want to argue, just to be smug and superior about how everything sucks and nothing matters.

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Re: Trump Leaving Office Poll (Part 2)

Postby KingRoyal » Tue Sep 06, 2022 3:29 pm

Because it's an accurate. It's a glib joke from before he got elected about how Trump evades or political consequences for his actions, thus the point of arguing with it would be to point to something to say, "Oh yeah, he went to jail for that"

Be glad to say it's inaccurate once it stops being accurate
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Re: Trump Leaving Office Poll (Part 2)

Postby Thad » Tue Sep 06, 2022 5:01 pm

See?

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Re: Trump Leaving Office Poll (Part 2)

Postby Upthorn » Tue Sep 06, 2022 5:52 pm

Thad, to me this looks like you're being presented with a cogent argument and using it as grounds to say that the person presenting it isn't interested in facts or truth?
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Re: Trump Leaving Office Poll (Part 2)

Postby Crick » Tue Sep 06, 2022 6:07 pm

Just for my two cents, I didn't mean it to be an argument for anything, I just meant that I feel there's a part of me that just expects people like that to never face consequences.

I do not in fact think everything sucks and nothing matters.

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Re: Trump Leaving Office Poll (Part 2)

Postby Mongrel » Tue Sep 06, 2022 6:14 pm

Upthorn wrote:Thad, to me this looks like you're being presented with a cogent argument and using it as grounds to say that the person presenting it isn't interested in facts or truth?

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Re: Trump Leaving Office Poll (Part 2)

Postby Mongrel » Wed Sep 07, 2022 6:16 pm

WaPo: Material on foreign nation’s nuclear capabilities seized at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
Some of the seized documents detail top-secret U.S. operations so closely guarded that many senior national security officials are kept in the dark about them. Only the president, some members of his Cabinet or a near-Cabinet-level official could authorize other government officials to know details of these special-access programs, according to people familiar with the search, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe sensitive details of an ongoing investigation.

Documents about such highly classified operations require special clearances on a need-to-know basis, not just top-secret clearance. Some special-access programs can have as few as a couple dozen government personnel authorized to know of an operation’s existence. Records that deal with such programs are kept under lock and key, almost always in a secure compartmented information facility, with a designated control officer to keep careful tabs on their location.

But such documents were stored at Mar-a-Lago, with uncertain security, more than 18 months after Trump left the White House.


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Re: Trump Leaving Office Poll (Part 2)

Postby Thad » Thu Sep 08, 2022 12:41 am

Upthorn wrote:Thad, to me this looks like you're being presented with a cogent argument and using it as grounds to say that the person presenting it isn't interested in facts or truth?

No, I'm afraid you've confused "cogent argument" with "catchphrase" again. Snoochie boochies. Dyn-o-mite! Little buddy! May the Force be with you. Ayyyyyyyy.

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Re: Trump Leaving Office Poll (Part 2)

Postby Mongrel » Thu Sep 08, 2022 1:12 am

I don't want to make this a dogpile, but this is kinda sounding like Old Man Thad Yells at Cloud.

Maybe it's just because all those catchphrases are, erm, kind of dated.
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Re: Trump Leaving Office Poll (Part 2)

Postby Upthorn » Thu Sep 08, 2022 2:01 am

"There is a pattern of this thing happening, and there is evidence to suggest that the pattern is continuing" seems like a cogent argument to me?
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Re: Trump Leaving Office Poll (Part 2)

Postby KingRoyal » Thu Sep 08, 2022 11:08 am

In a slight blow to "Ah well.. nevertheless", Steve Bannon has surrendered to prosecutors in Manhattan over a fraud scheme for the border wall

Bannon has been out of Trump's inner circle for awhile but has definitely had his hands in all the various goings on, and he may squeal to avoid charges. At the very least, this is probably the highest profile Trump cabinet member to face an indictment
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Re: Trump Leaving Office Poll (Part 2)

Postby Crick » Thu Sep 08, 2022 4:17 pm

Yeah, to be perfectly fair, there's a LOT of shit piling up on Trump and his cohorts. It feels like the only strategy with any of them is just "running out the clock". Is that a winning strategy? I'm not so sure.

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Re: Trump Leaving Office Poll (Part 2)

Postby KingRoyal » Fri Sep 09, 2022 8:55 am

"Running out the clock" was probably a winning legal strategy for Trump when he was preying upon people with much less wealth than him. This is not a weakness the United States' government shares, though
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Re: Trump Leaving Office Poll (Part 2)

Postby Grath » Fri Sep 09, 2022 9:38 am

Running out the clock may be a winning strategy if they can change the government via a combination of democrat apathy and gerrymandering/outright cheating. That said, their big "win" with Dobbs might have invalidated the "democrat apathy" portion of that statement making it harder (but not impossible) for them to change the government.

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Re: Trump Leaving Office Poll (Part 2)

Postby Crick » Fri Sep 09, 2022 10:11 am

That's what I was thinking. Trying to stall until they can win back enough influence in the midterms, but like you said, things are sorta not trending exactly in their favor.

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Re: Trump Leaving Office Poll (Part 2)

Postby Thad » Fri Sep 09, 2022 1:33 pm

Mongrel wrote:I don't want to make this a dogpile, but this is kinda sounding like Old Man Thad Yells at Cloud.

Maybe it's just because all those catchphrases are, erm, kind of dated.

Well, they can't all be up-to-the-minute topical references like a Simpsons episode from 20 years ago.

Crick wrote:That's what I was thinking. Trying to stall until they can win back enough influence in the midterms, but like you said, things are sorta not trending exactly in their favor.


Midterms aren't going to make a difference to a DoJ investigation. Republicans are threatening retaliatory investigations against Garland if they take the House, and I'm sure that'll be an inconvenience for him, but I don't think it'll meaningfully impact the day-to-day functioning of the DoJ.

Republicans capturing the House obviously would mean the end of the January 6 committee, but the committee is well aware of that and always has been and has allocated its resources on the assumption that it's only got one shot at this.

And of course Trump managing to get elected in 2024 would significantly impact the DoJ. That's where the stalling for time comes in.

That said, I think he's got a real uphill battle there. He can't win without cheating -- which isn't the same thing as saying he can't win, because he's definitely going to cheat. But even then, the path to victory is pretty narrow and requires a lot of things to break his way.

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Re: Trump Leaving Office Poll (Part 2)

Postby Mongrel » Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:09 pm

Thad wrote:Well, they can't all be up-to-the-minute topical references like a Simpsons episode from 20 years ago.

Wait, is "ahh... nevertheless." a Simpsons reference???
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Re: Trump Leaving Office Poll (Part 2)

Postby Crick » Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:16 pm

Thad wrote:Midterms aren't going to make a difference to a DoJ investigation. Republicans are threatening retaliatory investigations against Garland if they take the House, and I'm sure that'll be an inconvenience for him, but I don't think it'll meaningfully impact the day-to-day functioning of the DoJ.


That's a great point. I suppose I was conflating it with the Jan 6 stuff.

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Re: Trump Leaving Office Poll (Part 2)

Postby Upthorn » Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:43 pm

Mongrel wrote:
Thad wrote:Well, they can't all be up-to-the-minute topical references like a Simpsons episode from 20 years ago.

Wait, is "ahh... nevertheless." a Simpsons reference???

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Re: Trump Leaving Office Poll (Part 2)

Postby Mongrel » Sun Sep 11, 2022 9:41 pm

I can't believe I never heard about this until today.

IIRC, that's not even true anyway, lol. But what's one more lie for Donny?

Also I saw a clip of Rudy yammering on TV and Jesus, he looks like a fucking cadaver now. Real Prince Phillip vibes.
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