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Re: Computerus

Postby Thad » Sun Mar 19, 2023 1:58 pm

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Thad wrote:Then there's the question of whether I should do a fresh OS install or just stick with the one I've got. AIUI it's not that difficult to hook up the same boot drive to a new computer and have it work; since I'm going from Intel to AMD it's probably going to require booting to USB and reinstalling the bootloader, but it sounds like a pretty straightforward process.

I think I'll probably do that. While it might be useful to start fresh and without all the cruft I've accumulated over the years, I've spent a hell of a lot of time setting this thing up and I do not find the thought of having to do all that over again appealing.

It mostly worked fine but somehow now every time I do a kernel update I have to boot from a USB dongle and reinstall initramfs and GRUB.

I'm baffled as to why. It's three commands; if I execute them from my system before a reboot, I end up in a non-bootable state (trying to load the EFI partition before loading the module to read a vfat filesystem), whereas if I boot to a memory stick, mount the appropriate partitions, chroot, and then run the same three commands, everything works fine on my next reboot.

I've got it down to a workaround that takes under 10 minutes, so on the whole it's still less fucking around than if I'd done a clean install, but it's still frustrating and I'm sure there has to be a better way which I haven't quite cracked yet.

I figured out what went wrong here: when I reinstalled the bootloader after swapping out the motherboard, I didn't have my boot partition mounted, so it created a /boot directory on my root partition. So I ended up with a bootloader that expected the boot files to be on partition 3, and every time I updated my boot files they went on partition 2, and then the bootloader couldn't find the files it was supposed to be using to boot. Fortunately it was an easy enough problem to fix once I figured it out, and now I can reboot after an update with no issue.

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Re: Computerus

Postby Thad » Thu Mar 23, 2023 2:32 pm

Framework gives its modular laptops 13th-gen Intel CPUs and (finally) an AMD option

Well whaddaya know. I've been looking for a nice 13" AMD laptop. Will have to keep an eye out for when this one is actually released.

I assume it won't be cheap, but I'm willing to pay a premium to support Framework.

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Re: Computerus

Postby Crick » Sun Apr 16, 2023 1:12 pm

Has anyone here heard of Eliezer Yudkowsky? AI philosopher and critic? I've sorta "rediscovered" him and his work after briefly hearing of him years and years ago.

Apparently he has a new-ish piece in Time where he's calling for an end to AI research, a draw down of all GPU clusters, and missile strikes on any server farms that don't.

But I can't seem to find why he's so sure ASI would kill all biological life on Earth. I think it's related to the old paperclip thing-- superintelligent paperclip factory just converts all matter into paperclips-- but that seems like sorta specious reasoning?

That's to say, I do think AI stands disrupt a lot of daily life. It's a real concern that should be monitored closely.

But this seems closer to a fanatical doomsday prophet. We don't know when it'll happen, or why, but it'll one day destroy us all. Join my organization, let us put a stop to this, etc, etc.

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Re: Computerus

Postby Mongrel » Sun Apr 16, 2023 2:12 pm

Sounds like he fell off the deep end, wayyyyyy off. ASI is not AGI and all this "AI! AI! AI!" panic seems predicated on someone having a creepy ChatGPT experience and then wildly confusing the two, which is still an issue of sorts, but quite far from the apocalypse. This sort of panic being featured in mainstream publications is exactly why I was bitching in the other thread that we really need to be calling ASI something, anything, other than "AI".

As for the cautionary tale of the Paperclip Optimization Machine that nerds are so fond of, the thing is, they seems to forget we had Computers more than a century before we had computers, and that their Optimization Machine doomsaying is neither theoretical nor strictly about mechanical machines; Optimzation Machines are very, very real. We, and the planet we live on, have already suffered their horrible effects for hundreds of years already, in the form of the joint-stock company - better known to you and I as corporations.
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Re: Computerus

Postby Crick » Sun Apr 16, 2023 3:15 pm

Yeah, that's what I'm trying to articulate.

Our current economic system will use Dumb AI to absolutely ruin people's lives way before we reach whatever we'd describe as AGI.

I guess I'd believe a "superintelligent"-- or super optimized or whatever-- worm built for ransomware accidentally locks out every computer connected to the wider Internet in, like, a day before an ASI that spends a decade carefully constructing a weapon that wipes out all of humanity in an instant so that... uh....

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Re: Computerus

Postby Grath » Sun Apr 16, 2023 4:14 pm


tl;dr he's a creepy eugenicist doomsday cultist who thinks he's a genius and is fundamentally incorrect about how actual real world technology works.

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Re: Computerus

Postby Crick » Sun Apr 16, 2023 4:31 pm

Oh shit! Is there a term for when someone is milkshake ducked, but you're not surprised.

Also pretty disappointed to learn transhumanism has eugenics roots too.

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Re: Computerus

Postby Mongrel » Sun Apr 16, 2023 4:39 pm

ASI just seems threatening in the current moment because the most accessible uses involve scamming people or corporations continuing to corporation, only that little bit more so.

Which isn't all that surprising from a tech that's basically being trained to produce output more-or-less like a human while trying to overlook all sorts of small-yet-crucial ways its work is inferior.

Except maybe for people who get excited by rotoscoping. Or who're enjoyers of six-finger porn. Or something.
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Re: Computerus

Postby Mongrel » Sun Apr 16, 2023 4:41 pm

Oh and the NFT crowd have moved over to shilling hard for ASI, so, lol

BIG surprise, I know.
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Re: Computerus

Postby KingRoyal » Sun Apr 16, 2023 4:46 pm

This reads like a bunch of neo-reactionaries who forgot that "malevolent AI" is mostly a science-fiction concept
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Re: Computerus

Postby Crick » Sun Apr 16, 2023 5:48 pm

I couldn't believe how many people just agreed with him, but finding the actual "why" AI would kill everyone was hard to find and vaguely reasoned. That seems like the most important part, right?

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Re: Computerus

Postby Thad » Sat Jun 10, 2023 2:49 pm

oh good

we've reached the "where the fuck did i put all my sata cables" phase of installing a new hard drive

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Re: Computerus

Postby Mongrel » Sat Jun 10, 2023 2:55 pm

Hopefully your office no longer looks like you're storing classified documents. :V
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Re: Computerus

Postby Thad » Sat Jun 10, 2023 3:07 pm

Mongrel wrote:Hopefully your office no longer looks like you're storing classified documents. :V

do you think my office has less shit piled up in it than it did before I had to manage an estate, deal with months of litigation, and take all my dad's photos and mementos that he couldn't take with him when he moved to hawaii

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Re: Computerus

Postby Thad » Sat Jun 10, 2023 3:08 pm

Anyway it turns out they were exactly where I thought they were, in the first place I checked, hanging up with the various other cables I keep in my network closet, but they were near the back and I missed them the first time I checked and spent another half-hour checking other places before I decided to go back and check again.

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Re: Computerus

Postby nosimpleway » Sat Jun 10, 2023 3:18 pm

Hanging right next to the left-handed coffee m--
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Re: Computerus

Postby Thad » Sat Jun 10, 2023 3:25 pm

Thad wrote:oh good

we've reached the "where the fuck did i put all my sata cables" phase of installing a new hard drive

which is followed by the "where the fuck are the sata ports on the motherboard oh god they're under the graphics card why why would you do this" phase.

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Re: Computerus

Postby Mongrel » Sat Jun 10, 2023 3:28 pm

Thad wrote:
Mongrel wrote:Hopefully your office no longer looks like you're storing classified documents. :V

do you think my office has less shit piled up in it than it did before I had to manage an estate, deal with months of litigation, and take all my dad's photos and mementos that he couldn't take with him when he moved to hawaii

And unlocked the "Child obtained!" achievement via the most paperwork-heavy build!
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Re: Computerus

Postby Thad » Sat Jun 10, 2023 3:37 pm

The obviously-better solution here would be to just hook up the new drive via USB, copy all the shit I need off the old JBOD array, and then swap it out for the disk that's failing, so I can just use one of the SATA cables that's already connected.

The problem with this is that my SATA-USB dock is USB 2 and this is like 6TB of data.

So really the question becomes "how much do I fuck around with this" versus "should I just buy a damn USB 3 dock" versus "is it time for me to take a break and make a sandwich?"

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Re: Computerus

Postby Thad » Sat Jun 10, 2023 3:49 pm

Okay wait I found some more SATA ports that aren't under the graphics card.

I still have no place to actually mount the damn drive until I take the old one out, but that's okay, for now I can just set it on top of the drive bay and worry about moving drives around after I've moved the data around.

Should probably refresh my memory on how to check SMART status before I go any farther anyway. I want to be sure I'm taking out the right drive.

I mean I guess I'm probably going to take out all four of them anyway, since the new drive has as much space as the old array did, and 3 of those drives are still good and will probably be more useful if I stick them in something else.

Probably shouldn't be making these decisions on an empty stomach. I should probably make that sandwich. And figure out what I'm going to watch while I eat it, since my HTPC is sitting open on a table. Well, there's always physical media. Maybe a Superman.

...still probably a good idea to upgrade to a USB 3 drive caddy, but that can be a problem for another day.

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